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Old Apr 21, 2006, 12:02 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Immigration reform

I was just really getting information on a debate and would like to ask these questions. Supposing that we give the undocumented immigrants legal status:

Would they be eligible for welfare?

Would they have to be paid minimum wage?

Do they have to pay the United States taxes while they are legally here?

Personally, I believe the whole idea to be stupid and a waste of time. It's not going to solve anything at all and merely hurt our economy in the long run.
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Old Apr 21, 2006, 10:05 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
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I was just really getting information on a debate and would like to ask these questions. Supposing that we give the undocumented immigrants legal status:

Would they be eligible for welfare?

Would they have to be paid minimum wage?

Do they have to pay the United States taxes while they are legally here?

Personally, I believe the whole idea to be stupid and a waste of time. It's not going to solve anything at all and merely hurt our economy in the long run.
That's funny, because I think deportation isn't going to solve anything. It is the enhncement of conflict. I believe people should have solidarity with the workers of the world and that any government calling people "illegal" has got to go.

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Old Apr 21, 2006, 01:23 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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This whole thing is just ridiculous. The illegals are just shooting themselves in the foot. As soon as they have legal status and demand to make more, the employers are just going to fire them all and hire more illegals because THEY WORK CHEAPER!

Sheesh, are these people so stupid they don't realize the only reason they have jobs is because they don't make much?


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Old Apr 26, 2006, 04:42 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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This whole thing is just ridiculous. The illegals are just shooting themselves in the foot.
Correction: Others are shooting them in the foot.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 05:22 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Sheesh, are these people so stupid they don't realize the only reason they have jobs is because they don't make much?
lol, you think the reason they want legal status is so they can make more for working?

They want welfare.
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Old Apr 26, 2006, 05:25 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Supposing that we give the undocumented immigrants legal status:

Would they be eligible for welfare?
No.

I vote that from here on out, no new immigrants will ever be eligible for any form of welfare.

That should take away the majority of the incentive that people even come here in the first place.


Let them go to Europe instead. They'll gladly raise taxes to 99% so that no one ever has to work over there.

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Would they have to be paid minimum wage?
This is almost a pointless question.

For those few illegals who actually want to work, this would be devastating.

As it was already said, the reason these people are even employed is that they will work for less than min. wage.

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Do they have to pay the United States taxes while they are legally here?
I would say yes only because they'd probably be using things like public schools, etc.
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Old Apr 27, 2006, 02:14 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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lol, you think the reason they want legal status is so they can make more for working?

They want welfare.
They're already getting welfare. What's worse, there are plenty of illegals who are filing income taxes and GETTING MONEY BACK because of the EITC.

The reason a lot of the "illegal advocates" give for wanting to legalize them is so that they can make a fair wage and not be "abused". The second they're legal, they're all going to get fired and become an even bigger drain on the taxpayer.

Gee, this sounds like a good idea, doesn't it?


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Old Apr 27, 2006, 03:15 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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They're already getting welfare.
What's worse, there are plenty of illegals who are filing
income taxes and GETTING MONEY BACK because of the EITC.
The reason a lot of the "illegal advocates" give for
wanting to legalize them is so that they can make
a fair wage and not be "abused".
The second they're legal, they're all going to get fired
and become an even bigger drain on the taxpayer.
It's about solidarity with other human beings.
Want to stop drains on taxpayers? Work to get rid of all taxes and end these corporations.
What you want isn't going to solve any problems.
In fact, declaring a person illegal is blatant tyranny.
Saying "get the hell out of here and go back to your own country" isn't going to solve global economic problems.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 11:44 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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It's about solidarity with other human beings.
I have solidarity with Americans. If these people want to become legal American citizens, then we'll talk about solidarity.

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In fact, declaring a person illegal is blatant tyranny.
That's got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.


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Old Apr 28, 2006, 01:29 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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H, there are a sh*tload of debates on immigration reform around this board. Look them up and do your own homework. :rolleyes:


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