I think it's clear people.....

[Osborn F Enready]

Everyone thinks (if they believe) that God is on their side.

Everyone thinks they are right.

Everyone is dead set that the other guy is MORE wrong than them, even if they aren't right. (reason and logic TODAY, are based on the "opinions" of the interpreter)



Stop crying, and start acting.

Don't agree with somebody, tell them to shut up. They still keep flapping DRILL 'EM.

Don't like the laws, don't follow them.

Don't like what your kids hear in public school, PULL EM OUT!

Don't like what you see on TV, TURN IT OFF!

Don't like what your neighbors are doing, close you f-ing eyes!



Maybe we should adopt the old rule.....

Don't stick your nose where it don't belong, and it won't get lopped off.


(trying to time the rush of the herd, guesses left........)

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready (trying to time the rush of the herd, guesses left........)

It's "flock". Sheep travel in a flock. And Phoenix Fire beat you to it by a few minutes.

Quote by: Phoenix Fire Expect a reversion to a more liberal mentality to resurface soon. In a lot of ways, it already has. And, unless Bush manages to pull a rabbit out of his hat, expect a democrat president next term.

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/thread9868.html

[Quismo]

Don't like the laws, don't follow them.

also...

LEGALIZE IT !!!

[mlingley]

Hey Osborn I like the way you think.

I am so sick of the people in power trying to maintain the statis quo. I'm also sick of everyone living in a bubble. People don't care about anything outside. No one thinks too hard about anything. We're spoon fed all our thoughts by television and the media.

I'm not jaded and I want things to change.

[Osborn F Enready]

mlingley said: Hey Osborn I like the way you think.

I say:
Thank you.

mlingley said: I am so sick of the people in power trying to maintain the statis quo. I'm also sick of everyone living in a bubble. People don't care about anything outside. No one thinks too hard about anything. We're spoon fed all our thoughts by television and the media.

I say:
I agree, and would be inclined to say this is by design. If you are sincerely interested in my point of view, or want to find out if you are, check out these links and tell me what you think....

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ (daily news on the REAL issues facing America)

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/ (a compilation of how the "architecture" is being subverted.)

http://www.leap.cc/ (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, law enforcement SPEAKS OUT.)

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/ (The ACTUAL facts about Drugs. )

http://www.media-ecology.org/publica.../Habermas.html (How our media has been, and is being stolen, and our perception mired in spin.)

mlingley said: I'm not jaded and I want things to change.

I say:
Please then, I ask you to step outside the box of perception that the media, and Washington are trying so hard to force all citizens into.

The big picture is very well broken down and refrenced in "Michael Rupperts" book "Crossing the Rubicon".
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086...lance&n=283155

500 Pages of documented, refrenced and provable lies circulated by those in power, as well as a great binding that shows the true intents and purposes of all that is happening.

I would also reccommend "Edwin Black"'s "War against the Weak" as a great book to tie in the early years of funding and organization of the two-party agenda, eugenics, and corporate money that has made the monopolies of the modern American Empire as we know them today.

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/




Thanks for the support, and I hope I can help you find more if you have intrest.

Free American citizens need to get informed, and stay in contact.

[Osborn F Enready]

Here is a thread I wrote in Volconvo about much of the problem from an American Perspective.

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/thread932.html

[Cephus]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Don't like the laws, don't follow them.

Just so long as you're willing to pay the consequences of doing so.

[Athena]

Quote by: Cephus Just so long as you're willing to pay the consequences of doing so.

Whoo, of which laws do you speak? In the US, there are city laws, state laws and federal laws. States that allow medical pot are breaking federal law, but then this federal law is voilating the constitution. But then there is natural law. It is not a good idea to get stoned and go far a drive.

Ideally a democracy bases its laws on natural law. We should understand natural laws as God's laws, without the religious dogma. The Jews have a whole bunch of food laws based on nature's laws, and Jesus violated these laws, and said they were not necessary. Jesus was wrong. Eating with dirty hands can result in illness. We haven't made washing hands a state or federal law, but violating laws of nature comes with risks.

[Athena]

Quote by: Quismo also... LEGALIZE IT !!!

:) How about turning to public education to teach what democracy is all about. Please, folks, democracy is what a society can be, it is not their form of government. Democracy is an ideology about what humans can be and how they should relate with one another, not policitic science or a form of government. Our liberty depends on understanding this and preparing people to be their own authority on what is right and wrong. Now a republic can determon laws and enforce those laws, and the power of government will over ride the rights of individuals, but when the society is a democratic one, those laws are what the majority will tolerate. Where as in China, which does not have a democracy, the people can be shot down for daring to oppose government, and they can be denied the right to unionize, and the right to freedom of the press. People can want democracy, but unless they control their government, they will not have democracy.

Now go ahead and argue against democracy and for the power of the a republic that is not under democratic control. Then discuss laws and rights. THERE ARE NO RIGHTS UNLESS THE PEOPLE HAVE A DEMOCRACY AND CAN CONTROL THEIR GOVERNMENT.

[Osborn F Enready]

Cephus said: Just so long as you're willing to pay the consequences of doing so.

I say:
Always Cephus, just not always the "legally inteneded" consequences.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Athena Whoo, of which laws do you speak? In the US, there are city laws, state laws and federal laws. States that allow medical pot are breaking federal law, but then this federal law is voilating the constitution. But then there is natural law. It is not a good idea to get stoned and go far a drive.

Any law. If you knowingly violate the law, you need to be prepared to pay the consequences. I'm so tired of people who are out playing with civil disobedience, so long as they don't have to actually get punished for doing it.

[rez]

I think humans are the problem.

[Osborn F Enready]

Marx said that.

Remove humans, no more problems.

[rez]

Did he say that? It is kinda weird seeing how he came up with utopia socialism...

[Osborn F Enready]

I was mistaken.

It wasn't Marx, it was Joseph Stalin.

Death solves all problems - no man, no problem.
Joseph Stalin

[Critter]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Don't like the laws, don't follow them.

All RIGHT!

*grabs gun and list of people who piss me off*

Oh wait, I'm sure that's not what you meant, is it? Nevermind.

[Osborn F Enready]

Smart ass Critter.....

No, not quite what I meant. But we recognize and appreciate your enthusiasm.... LOL

[Critter]

Yes, I am a smartass. My sole purpose in life is to make some people laugh and others avoid me because they think I'm crazy.

[Osborn F Enready]

Duly noted to the funny lady down in front....

[Athena]

Quote by: Cephus Any law. If you knowingly violate the law, you need to be prepared to pay the consequences. I'm so tired of people who are out playing with civil disobedience, so long as they don't have to actually get punished for doing it.

Do you mean you are in favor of reporting your neighbor to higher authority? How about laws against freedom of speech, do you think we should all be sure they are enforced? Should we write thank you notes to the companies complying with China's censorship?

Human beings can make bad laws, and when they do, we need to oppose those laws.

I am in favor of civil disobedience when there is a cause. In fact I lead some and I am very pleased with the result. The result was my community saw homelessness as a problem that needed solutions. The effort to increase affordable housing was greatly increased. We have more than one emergency shelter for families. We have a place where the homeless can go for assistence, shower, do laundry, get a sandwich. Churches got involved in providing shelter during the winter months. Now mothers and their children are much safer than they were. We are not doing as well for single, homeless men as I wish we were, but they are getting more help then they were getting. So much good came out of my activist work, I would do it again.

I fasted on the steps of our state capitol building for a week. This civil disobedience was allowed, or I wouldn't have done things this way. There is a line between getting attention and pushing too hard against laws. Those working for the bill my activism was supporting, would stop and thank me for being there, because it supported what they were doing inside the building. Our liberty is the freedom to do what is right, and that comes above our man made laws, which may be faulted.