Capital Punishment

[Sbh052]

Captial punishment is a tough subject. If you really think about it, when we debate this, we are not getting the message through to the people in charge. That would be so good if we really could do that, but we honestly can't.
I do believe in capital punishment, but I don't believe that it should be so bad that the people put on deathrow did not get the proper trial they need, or their care was not completely investigated.
If you really think about it, Saddam Husain got hanged. In my personal feelings, he deserved it.
He tortured many people for many years. I think that what happened to him, was a good thing, for not only the citizens of the USA, but also for the Iraqi people, who have gotten so brutally terrorized by him.

[Trent]

If a man is a murderer and you murder him - aren't you justifying his actions?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Killing a person is so bad, we're gonna kill you! Either that says that the person is no longer a human, or that we are hypocrites.

[Trent]

I mean - in some profound way, you are letting him off the hook by killing him - in his mind, your crime makes him a victim and there for wipes out his crime.

Saddam didn't pay for his crimes. He was exonerated by his own murder

Personally I think it doesn't get more filthy than taking someone's life in such a manner as cold blooded murder

Why would you want to emulate them?

[sevendogs]

Capital punishmment helps to eliminate social misfits, i mean the woprst of them, such as serial killers and murderous sex offenders. I know that I am politically incorrect, but the biological fact is that some of us are born to be bad as a result of wrong combination of genetic alleles or an ugly mutation. Scince does not 100% fool proof at identification the problems to prevent causalites among inocent people, but some genes causing criminal behavior are known. Even among those, who has some selfcontrol over his urges, news about executions help as a deterrent.

[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: sevendogs Capital punishmment helps to eliminate social misfits, i mean the woprst of them, such as serial killers and murderous sex offenders. I know that I am politically incorrect, but the biological fact is that some of us are born to be bad as a result of wrong combination of genetic alleles or an ugly mutation. Scince does not 100% fool proof at identification the problems to prevent causalites among inocent people, but some genes causing criminal behavior are known. Even among those, who has some selfcontrol over his urges, news about executions help as a deterrent.

Two possibilities here (well, three, but we'll start with two): One, the "evil gene" makes it impossible for someone to resist committing a crime. Two, the "evil gene" does not force someone to commit a crime, as some people can control these genetically imposed urges.

If it is the first possibility, then the people who carry the evil gene should be removed from society before they have any chance to kill, and so we should have mandatory genetic testing of all newborns, and should euthanize those who show the evil gene.

If it is the second possibility, then the evil gene means no more than an abusive family, drug or alcohol addiction, or poverty, all of which make someone much more likely to commit crimes.


The third possibility, of course, is that there is no such thing as an "evil gene," and this whole line of argument is worthless.

[Fonceai]

To hop into the topic...

Capital Punishment is appropriate.

I believe the punishment should fit the crime.

For those who challenge the perceived legitimacy of the punishment, I also believe that by committing a crime you forgo the protection of that right you violated.

Kill a person and you are no longer entitled to having your right to life protected.

[ekhoy]

why is a murder's life valued more than a victims?
its okay to kill an innnocent victim but its not okay to kill a murderer.

wow. its truly common sense.

[pahl]

why is a murder's life valued more than a victims? its okay to kill an innnocent victim but its not okay to kill a murderer. wow. its truly common sense.

I belive the reasoning goes a little bit more like this:

Its not okay to kill an innocent victim and its not okay to kill a murderer.

If you kill a killer you still become a killer.

[sevendogs]

This would lead us away from the topic, but removal of Saddam from power so far produced even more deaths of Iraquis and US soldiers. I am supporting capital punishment.

[Fonceai]

Is that sarcasm, ekhoy?

[ekhoy]

i dont use sarcasm.

[sevendogs]

I would like to see Saddam (along with his brutal sons) killed in a safer and more efficient way, may be with a missile, for example. Now, we have a chaos in Iraq and dozens of little, but not less lethal "Saddams" became activated and our troops are in the middle of that sectarian mess. The question remains, if our world is any better without Saddam now?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: ekhoy i dont use sarcasm.

Sarcasm is basically the essence of life, If God exists, He obviously spent a while perfecting this humor.

[sevendogs]

Quote by: CoffeeSaint Two possibilities here (well, three, but we'll start with two): One, the "evil gene" makes it impossible for someone to resist committing a crime. Two, the "evil gene" does not force someone to commit a crime, as some people can control these genetically imposed urges. If it is the first possibility, then the people who carry the evil gene should be removed from society before they have any chance to kill, and so we should have mandatory genetic testing of all newborns, and should euthanize those who show the evil gene. If it is the second possibility, then the evil gene means no more than an abusive family, drug or alcohol addiction, or poverty, all of which make someone much more likely to commit crimes. The third possibility, of course, is that there is no such thing as an "evil gene," and this whole line of argument is worthless.

"Evel Genes" do exist. This is a scientific fact, but its discussion is unpopular, because of prejudices and needs to be politically correct. Evil genes are scattered among majority of individuals of human population and they are variable in degree of expression. We all learn to control our urges since childhood. Capital punishment helps to eliminate extreme cases, when society is dealing with least compatible with law individuals and this is good. Justice system is never perfect and it cannot be 100% unfallible, but it is better then nothing. Therefore, we will keep killing them, no matter what some feinthearted people may think. :)

[Gods_Mercenary]

Prison removes the deviants from the public and doesn't involve murder, why not?

[sevendogs]

Deviant individuals in prison are visited by deviant women seeking for extraordinary sexual excitement, get pregnant and give birth to children, thus, passing deviant genes to future generations. Kill them. Let "natural" selection to do the work. During stone age, a deviant member of tribe could be killed with a club or a rock at night. Now, we have capital punishment.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Asides from having a disturbing view of human genetics, You can simply deny the prisoners any priveleges that'll give them this chance.

[Osborn F Enready]

sevendogs said: "Evel Genes" do exist.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

That's rich.

[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: sevendogs "Evel Genes" do exist. This is a scientific fact, but its discussion is unpopular, because of prejudices and needs to be politically correct. Evil genes are scattered among majority of individuals of human population and they are variable in degree of expression. We all learn to control our urges since childhood. Capital punishment helps to eliminate extreme cases, when society is dealing with least compatible with law individuals and this is good. Justice system is never perfect and it cannot be 100% unfallible, but it is better then nothing. Therefore, we will keep killing them, no matter what some feinthearted people may think. :)

I'm not shying away from a discussion of evil genes, I don't believe that such a thing has been proven or could be proven in any way, shape or form, because they simply don't exist. I think it is possible that a gene could lead to a person having less impulse control, or being more aggressive, but that has no more to do with making that person criminal than do the other influences I mentioned: poverty, addiction, and abuse. Let's examine one of those: there is abundant evidence that a life of poverty makes one more likely to commit crimes; should we execute any criminals who grew up poor, in the hopes that we will remove poor genes from our race?

If the justice system is never perfect and never infallible, then it should not impose a 100% irrevocable penalty. There is nothing gained by executing criminals. And I'm not sure where you got this idea that women are permitted to have sex with serial killers and bear their children, but it simply isn't true.

Your willingness to kill doesn't make you stronger than me, it makes you more bloodthirsty -- which would seem to put you closer to serial killers. Can you tell me why that is a better position to be in, either morally or logically? Why would you want to emulate those you seek to eliminate?