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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Jury Nullification I am posting this verbatim, because it is very well written. This post comes from here originally: http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/52197/view Quote:
Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | How many of you KNOW or can LOCATE INFORMATION if your state has or has not outlawed jury nullification rights? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | Well, I don't know if I can find the article, or if it will fit. But, I'll try. Author(s): Keith HamburgerThe editorial page editor gave up his column to print this on Jury Day in 1991. I guess I've heard of this topic. Keith The great thread killer. |
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| Logical Phallussy Location: In your internets. Posts: 2,991 | I remember reading about a drug case where the jury upheld the defendant's conviction. However, after the case was closed, members of the jury spoke out about why they made that decision. It turns out that they were afraid that, if they failed to convict the defendant, the judge would punish them. Here we can see that, regardless of the legal situation, the laws of this country are de facto ruled by judges, not by juries. - Rob |
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| 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437 | Heh. If you don't wanna serve on a jury just tell the legal system what you know about jury nullification... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams |
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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | Quote:
Keith The great thread killer. | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Great article Keith. Thanks for sharing that. I wonder where our resident lawyers are? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Here is a great link for those who wish to find out more. http://www.fija.org/ http://nowscape.com/fija/fija_us.htm Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | I am still irritated because Tivo came in here twice now, and still hasn't replied to this thread. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Redskins Rule Location: South-Western Virginia Posts: 2,451 | Mind if I give it a poke. I was thinking about this after I heard about the CIA agent who was fired for leaking the information about the secret torture sites/prisons. The person may be prosecuted for disclosing something that needed to be disclosed to the American people. But, if you apply the law as written, what that person did was against the law. This is what nullification is actually all about, in my opinion. If I sat on that jury, I would use nullification in the same way it was used to protect Zenger. The American people needed to know what their government was up to, especially because our government did not want us to know... All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | I agree, and this would be a valid case for nullification of bad law if it were in a jury situation. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Redskins Rule Location: South-Western Virginia Posts: 2,451 | Quote:
He,he,he. All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Dwight, you still out there man? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Here is a link from a forum I go to occassionally, on the topic, that is mainly populated with legal types, LEO's, lawyers, etc. Jury nullification. - TheFiringLine Forums Interesting to see the arguments used by pro-activist judge advocates. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | Quote:
Keith The great thread killer. | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Quote:
I logicly shredded that lawyer in another thread at that forum, and they banned me, for nothing. Defenders of free speech...... pffffft. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready | |
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| Odd Girly Girl Location: Wisconsin Posts: 557 | In my quest to find out what my state has to say on the subject, I came along this article that I think is interesting and may add to conversation as well. It includes some information on individual states as well as examples of specific instances in which jury nullification has been used in the past, and how jury nullification relates to our rights as individual citizens. http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/jurynul4.htm |
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| Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609 | Quote:
I am somewhat jealous that your Constitution, in your state, provides explicitly for jury nullification. On a limited basis, for certain, however, where I live doesn't have any such. Of course, courts have been known to repeatedly usurp power both from the people, in general, and from juries specifically. I wonder if you can find some instances of the actual application of this power, or examples where courts have taken this legitimate power from juries. Keith The great thread killer. | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Keith said: That is an excellent article. Thank you for sharing that. Agreed, and ditto Heather. Quote:
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I will see if I can scare up some links and post back when I do. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready | ||
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