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phoenix_fire · Apr 4, 2006, 09:36 pm

That's your biggest? I can think of several.

One of the things that I like most about my college is that we have a policy against sports scholarships. And we don't have a football team. :)

Scribbler1 · Apr 4, 2006, 11:34 pm

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That's your biggest? I can think of several.

One of the things that I like most about my college is that we have a policy against sports scholarships. And we don't have a football team. :)

Nothing wrong with that as long as the athlete has a brain. My issues are pretty much with "professional" sports teams where steroid enhanced mutants pick up tens of millions a year for throwing a ball.

grandpa · Apr 5, 2006, 02:48 am

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The absolutely BIGGEST bitch I have about sports is when people start yelling "we're number one" or "we won" when a team wins something. Of course, they DID do something. They sat on their asses and watched.
Pisses me off.

Ever notice how every team claims to be number one?

Grandpa h.

Scribbler1 · Apr 5, 2006, 09:38 am

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Ever notice how every team claims to be number one?

Grandpa h.

I meant the FANS, not the teams. Like right wingers on web forums like this one saying "we won, get over it". Through assosication they think they have done something positive and are compelled to yell "look at how great I am" to everyone around them.

It's like those little sucker fish that clean the skin of a shark telling other fish how ferocious they are.

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 5, 2006, 10:15 am

It's called competition.

It's the best thing that humans have going. It's the only incentive we have to do anything well.

Sure, we can motivate ourselves to do things voluntarily if it's for a good cause...for a while.

phoenix_fire · Apr 5, 2006, 01:37 pm

Not when it's not you who's actually doing anything. It's kinda like moms who want their daughters to be head cheerleader and the most popular girl in school so that they can live vicariously through them.

grandpa · Apr 5, 2006, 01:55 pm

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It's called competition.
It's the best thing that humans have going. It's the only incentive we have to do anything well.

How about doing something well as its own incentive?

Grandpa h.

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 5, 2006, 02:00 pm

In the same post you just quoted, I mentioned that voluntary motivation is not as good as competition.

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Apr 5, 2006, 04:52 pm

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As the Marxists used to say, what keeps them queit while they're being screwed by the powers that be? Or is it still religion? Or do they the two factors work together to keep most people insensitive?

It really depends upon the sport. In Europe Football ( ah for those in the US majority here soccer) certainly fits the bill, people totaly obssess about the game and it fills the whole of their lives. What was once only the sport of the blue collar working class has grown in the affections of everyone. It is the most common national language of the EU which can bring friends out of strangers in the strangest of places or lead to a knife in the back.

With some supporters still utilising it as a platform for mindless violence and racial bigotary.

Still the World Cup kicks off soon and we'll keep you posted

phoenix_fire · Apr 5, 2006, 09:45 pm

Ah...football is the same in the US...even if it's not soccer.

G. Adams · Apr 5, 2006, 10:04 pm

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Ah...football is the same in the US...even if it's not soccer.

Really? I've never heard about stabbings at American Football games, or organised 'firms' travelling around the US to beat the living shit out opposition supporters with bottles and motorbike chains.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 6, 2006, 02:47 am

Opium , is the opium of the people.

They tried to make sports the opium of the people, but all they got was another class of addicts.

weasel · Apr 6, 2006, 12:55 pm

Considering the billions of dollars people are spending on sports, it's at least as proftitable as the drug industry. And considering the additional billions of dollars that change hands because of betting (which is addictive) the resemblance is striking. However, although the typical athelete makes more than the president, the sports industry hasn't (to the best of my knowlege) directly harmed people and why would they? Capitalist society doesn't harm its own customers (except the tabacco industry).

Osborn F Enready · Apr 6, 2006, 05:35 pm

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Capitalist society doesn't harm its own customers (except the tabacco industry).

I say:
Well, isn't somebody a little bright eyed and bushy tailed?

How old are you? ( honest question )

weasel · Apr 6, 2006, 05:44 pm

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I say:
Well, isn't somebody a little bright eyed and bushy tailed?

It's common sense. You do not want to kill off your customer-demand pool. Without demand for your product, people have no need for it. Hence, the capitalist common sense of making whatever you sell addictive; constant demand to meet your constant supply even if it kills them.

As far as being "bushy tailed", my screen name is weasel.....

grandpa · Apr 6, 2006, 06:16 pm

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It's common sense. You do not want to kill off your customer-demand pool. Without demand for your product, people have no need for it. Hence, the capitalist common sense of making whatever you sell addictive; constant demand to meet your constant supply even if it kills them.

Few slave-owners want to kill off their property, either. That's why they are kept alive, in poverty and in check. Unless, of course, workers organize and demand something better of society.

Grandpa h.

underbear1 · Apr 6, 2006, 06:47 pm

Weasel said:
Capitalist society doesn't harm its own customers (except the tabacco industry).

fast food, phamacuetical companies, breweries and alcohol companies all do harm to their customers.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 6, 2006, 06:50 pm

Thank you Grandpa and Underbear......

My patience are thin today.

(just ask Bishop)

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 6, 2006, 07:18 pm

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fast food, phamacuetical companies, breweries and alcohol companies all do harm to their customers.

Just like guns kill people.

It's never the guy who pulls the trigger, is it?

Charon · Apr 12, 2006, 06:46 pm

Actually, entertainment is viewed as an escape from life for a brief period. One in which all else falls by the wayside, and we are transported somewhere else, where our bills, and responsibilities can not follow.

Escapism, yes, becoming more necessary for the multitude every year.

Apr 4, 2006, 09:36 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	That's your biggest? I can think of several. One of the things that I like most about my college is that we have a policy against sports scholarships. And we don't have a football team. :) Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

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tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	It's called competition. It's the best thing that humans have going. It's the only incentive we have to do anything well. Sure, we can motivate ourselves to do things voluntarily if it's for a good cause...for a while. Last edited by tman_ndsu08; Apr 5, 2006 at 01:51 pm.

Apr 5, 2006, 01:37 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Not when it's not you who's actually doing anything. It's kinda like moms who want their daughters to be head cheerleader and the most popular girl in school so that they can live vicariously through them. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

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phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Ah...football is the same in the US...even if it's not soccer. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 6, 2006, 02:47 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Opium , is the opium of the people. They tried to make sports the opium of the people, but all they got was another class of addicts. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 5, 2006, 02:00 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	In the same post you just quoted, I mentioned that voluntary motivation is not as good as competition.

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weasel Marksman Location: "A place that cannot be found except by those who already know where it is." Posts: 199	Considering the billions of dollars people are spending on sports, it's at least as proftitable as the drug industry. And considering the additional billions of dollars that change hands because of betting (which is addictive) the resemblance is striking. However, although the typical athelete makes more than the president, the sports industry hasn't (to the best of my knowlege) directly harmed people and why would they? Capitalist society doesn't harm its own customers (except the tabacco industry). "Rage, rage against the dying of the light." -Dylan Thomas Last edited by weasel; Apr 6, 2006 at 05:23 pm.

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underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Weasel said: Capitalist society doesn't harm its own customers (except the tabacco industry). fast food, phamacuetical companies, breweries and alcohol companies all do harm to their customers.

Apr 6, 2006, 06:50 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Thank you Grandpa and Underbear...... My patience are thin today. (just ask Bishop) Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

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Charon Molten Ash Posts: 80	Actually, entertainment is viewed as an escape from life for a brief period. One in which all else falls by the wayside, and we are transported somewhere else, where our bills, and responsibilities can not follow. Escapism, yes, becoming more necessary for the multitude every year.