homosexual adoption

[westcoastdog]

The best reason I heard for gay adoption was on the radio program on this subject. A young woman who had been raised in various foster homes called in and said she and her best friend (another young woman she had met in a foster home) would love to have been adopted by anyone. It was so difficult being young and having no adult to turn to for help. Life was really difficult for her and her friend and life was a constant struggle.

I've known about six families with gay parents, and all the children grew up normal (finished high school, college, no drugs habits); a couple even joined the military to the consternation of their parents. Out of 12-15 kids, I don't remember exactly, only one became gay, a lesbian (or perhaps bi-sexual, as young girls experiment).

BTW, I'm not gay, but I'm for gay rights--marriage, adoption, everything. Excuse this digression. During the Vietnam War, when the military wanted every able body (and some not so able), gays were visible in all my units. The attitude of my commanding officers was free time was none of their business; the officers' concern was limited to showing up on time, performing duties, and keeping the barracks clean and orderly.

[weasel]

Quote by: belverron And please stop using statistics jargon where it serves no purpose or is just plain wrong.

Ah, but it does serve a purpose and if you knew anything about statistics you would have picked up on this. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, a bell curve (or normal distribution) is an effective illustration used to graph data. Most of the data will be in the center (the average) but the remainding data will be off to the sides proceeding to both the extreme left and right values relative to the mean.

When analyzing your data with a bell curve, most of it will fall in the middle. There will always, however, be extremely high and low values that are exceptions.

As for the relevance of all this, (for example) gay couples, on average due to research I found and have posted the link to previously, are unstable. On the bell curve, the data of gay couples' instability would fall mostly in the mean range. There are exceptions but, on average, the disequilibrium of the gay couple is mostly the "norm". I was simply using the bell curve analogy to help explain this.

http://www.geocities.com/yahmdallah/bellcurv.jpg

[belverron]

We know what a bell curve is, and it isn't serving any more of a purpose now that you've made a pretentious ass of yourself. Your use of the terms is like my saying "place it on a Cartesian coordinate system" instead of "plot it on a graph." You could leave it at average.

I don't doubt there's some truth to your studies, but I won't debate you before you come up with more than one source, from an organization dedicated to fixing homosexuals. That's like my bringing in something from gay.com. And we're not going to go there.

[underbear1]

at least gay .com has authentic gay/lesbian voices, it's not know nothing bigots who wouldn't know a queer if the tripped over one.

[mytoehurts]

whoracle,
society will never tolerate any of this, and much less if they do not have to. No one person, regardless of sexual preferance should conform to society just because it is not handled well. who cares what the "general public" thinks? everyone will always have some opinion because "society" does not understand the concept of live and let live. this is not only so on this topic, but on so many other things. does this mean we should not take a stand against it? this world is too ignorant, and needs to open their minds. i am not adopted, but i have grown up with my brother and sister, and two more step sisters and a step brother, along with our lesbian mothers. there is no denying that we were teased throughout our younger years, but these things did not come into play until high school. to be honest, growing up with gay parents only made me more open-minded. i do not care for a single moment what anyone, or everyone thinks, has to say or anything else. the teasing never bothered me because i just felt sorry for the other kids because they were deprived of the kind of childhood that i had that made me so well rounded. i am proud to say that my mother is gay because it has given me the strong character and welcoming mentality that i have now, and i wouldnt trade it for anything in the world. why conform to society just so we dont cause a stir? what good are rights if you are supressed and cannot express them? what good is a democracy if you cannot question authority? i am in no means implying to do these things in any rebellious way, i just mean that you cannot be well-educated without asking questions, without forming strong beliefs... imagine someone took something you felt so strongly about and told you to keep it to yourself because it would upset others because they are not prepared to accept it? accept it or not, no one is forcing anyone to like it. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, respectably, open-mindedness is not in conforming, it is in listening and understanding while still believing your own if you choose. i am a sane, straight person, and i am still alive after the teasing because it never phased any of us, because we knew we were better than them. it may be true that society is not ready to acccept it but they need to deal because nobody is going to walk on egg shells. there is absolutely no reason in the world that exists now or ever will to say that homosexuals should not adopt, although i know that your argument is for the adoptions. there are no justifications for the narrow-minded and the ignorant. ignorance is ignorance. love is love, unconditionally.

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Homosexuality has become successful thanks to years of propaganda by the liberal media. They have created a phony image of homosexuals as monogamous couples, who never ever molest children. The truth is that Gay relationships are about as stable as alley cat relationships. Gays are much more prone to violence against their partners than heterosexuals. Child molestation by Gays amounts to about 40 percent of all child molestation in America (even though Gays only number 1.5 percent). 37 percent of Gay men in one survey admitted having sexual relationship with boys less than 17 years old. The average number of victims of Gay child molesters according to one survey was 85.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/Ed...9/Default.aspx

[whoracle]

Seeker, why don't you visit your local white trash trailer park...i'm betting 99.9% hetero. I'd say report back with your findings but i'm afraid you'd spin it.

37% huh? In what study done by whom? What percentage of priests and pastors do the same? Hmm?

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: whoracle What percentage of priests and pastors do the same? Hmm?

If a priest or a pastor assaults a child of the same sex, that priest or pastor is a homosexual. Whats your point? Are priests and pastors somehow different from every other human on the planet? Job description doesnt change your sexual inclination

[underbear1]

SeekerOfSins

ALL absolute LIES published by Tony Perkins, (the SAME Tony Perkins who bought the KKK mailing list of David Duke's ) hardly scientific
http://www.workingforchange.com/arti...m?ItemID=19314
One of the most disturbing features not listed on Perkins' resume was his involvement in securing the mailing list of Ku Klux Klansman David Duke for a Louisiana Senate campaign he managed in 1996. Four years ago, reporter Max Blumenthal revealed in an April 26, 2005 article for The Nation,

"Perkins addressed the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) … the successor to the White Citizens Councils, which battled integration in the South."

Blumenthal wrote that in 1996, while Perkins was running the campaign of longtime conservative Woodie Jenkins, the right-wing Republican candidate for the US Senate in Louisiana, he "paid former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list."



http://www.womeninthelife.com/articl...hildabuse.html





Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation and Child Abuse


By Sheila Alexander-Reid

Studies show that there is no connection to homosexuality and child sexual abuse.
Dr. Carole Jenny reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in only 2 of the 269 cases in which an adult molester could be identified, less than 1percent of the cases. (Jenny et al., 1994).

Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the 175 adult males in their sample - all of whom were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child - had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation.

In one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

"Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).


http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...lestation.html


The Mainstream
View Reflecting the results of these and other studies, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).
In a more recent literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women"

[Jack]

Homosexuality has become successful thanks to years of propaganda by the liberal media.

Yeah, that has really messed up our minority status. All those really supportive news reports over the last few decades and now everyone wants to be queer.

How can you be so sensible on other topics and so full of nonsense on this one?

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

[quote=underbear1] and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).
QUOTE]

excuse me?

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, its probably a duck.

A male molesting a male is a homosexual. He may be a homosexual sicko, but he is still a homosexual. Can you only be a homosexual once you reach the age of 20 now? How convenient. Whats the best way to detract from facts, change the rules off course.

I would laugh if it wasnt so serious

[underbear1]

Adults who mollest children grab the kid available, who they think they can intimidate to stay silent, usually it's someone the parents know. There is 9 times as many hetero child abusers than there are homo child abusers, it follows demographics of the population, 9 times as many straights = 9 times as many straight pervs.

[underbear1]

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect19.htm

they lock into A CERTAIN AGE RANGE (most prefer them young because this minimizes the chance of pregnancy and vaginal infection) In fact, some pedophile groups have the saying "Eight is too late." They also lock into a certain gender. A pedophile who prefers boys will usually not molest girls, and vice versa. There is an 11:1 ratio of heterosexual pedophiles to homosexual ones.

I would laugh if it wasnt so serious

With 11 times more likely to be a sick bastard that rapes children, maybe heterosexuals shouldn't be allowed to adopt!

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: Isherwood Yeah, that has really messed up our minority status. All those really supportive news reports over the last few decades and now everyone wants to be queer. How can you be so sensible on other topics and so full of nonsense on this one?

Thanks for the compliment

Perhaps I am being as sensible on this topic and you just don't see it, or don't want too. It is a fact though, that homosexuality in the media has produced an increase in the number of homosexuals in society since the campaign began. Whether it be negative or positive, it is still promotion. Like all promotions, it pulls in punters.

The normalisation of the homosexual lifestyle into mainstream society is well under way and is a stated agenda of the homosexual community worldwide. To force acceptance and therefore gain rights denied to other groups partaking in lifestyle choices, you must first create the illusion of normality. How do you normalise a sexual preference? You state that it isnt a preference at all, build on the sympathy vote and squash all criticism as and when it appears. Secondly, you insert homosexuals into roles that influence society such as the media, schools and politics.This enables social change to begin whilst using the media to promote the standard line. Laws can be introduced into the halls of power and debated at length in a controlled environment with those with a vested interest in the matter at hand chairing the debate boards and squashing all criticism.,(do you know that in NZ, when civil unions was being debated, the homosexual MP who introduced the bill into parliament, chaired the board of enquiry looking into public submissions on the issues. Over 17000 objections were sent in to the board, all but 4 were ignored or thrown out, using the excuse that the people had no understanding of the subject under discussion, whilst all 28, yes thats right, a mingy 28, supporting applications were touted as the will of the general public).It also enables the training of impressionable minds through the school system, so that in generations to come, you will have acceptance.

I understand the issue and I am not blind to the truth. The normalisation of the homosexual lifestyle will no doubt proceed, and I will continue to shout into the wind, probably with no effect, but I will continue to voice my dissent because it needs to be expressed.

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: underbear1 http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect19.htm they lock into A CERTAIN AGE RANGE (most prefer them young because this minimizes the chance of pregnancy and vaginal infection) In fact, some pedophile groups have the saying "Eight is too late." They also lock into a certain gender. A pedophile who prefers boys will usually not molest girls, and vice versa. There is an 11:1 ratio of heterosexual pedophiles to homosexual ones. I would laugh if it wasnt so serious With 11 times more likely to be a sick bastard that rapes children, maybe heterosexuals shouldn't be allowed to adopt!

These quoting of numbers serves no purpose, you even contradict yourself. The homosexual community represents 4-7% of the population, depending on which statistic you choose,(that word again), to believe and therefore it stands to reason that more incidents of molestation on children will be perpetrated by the hetrosexual community. If you look at the numbers commiting the offences as a % of the population group, homo/hetro, the numbers are radically different. In fact, from the numerous studies I have read, across the globe, it is quite even with a slant towards the homosexual community of roughly 2-5%. Then you read a comment like the one above, that states that a man molesting a boy shouldnt be considered homosexual and you have to start all over again. If that is the basis for the figures, then they are now questionable at best, and one must then ask what they are attempting to hide

The much used argument of the gay community, that the figures clearly show that more incidents are performed by hetros, is a strawman at best

[underbear1]

Sexual orientation isn't chosen, and isn't recruited. Being homosexual is as natural and normal as being heterosexual.
http://www.casmt.on.ca/Publications/...WT_undhusx.htm

Sexual orientation is thought to be established early in life (Herdt and Boxer, 1993; Bell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, 1981); awareness of sexual orientation usually emerges in adolescence, although many lesbian, gay and bisexual adults remember “feeling different” in their pre-teen years (Savin-Williams, 1994; Remafedi, 1987). Like all young people, lesbian, gay and bisexual youth must integrate their sexual orientation into their developing sense of self.

Unfortunately, as struggles to combat racial discrimination have illustrated, prejudice of all kinds is frequently rooted in fear of difference and a desire to protect the dominant group from the perceived dangers of that difference. Many of the myths and misconceptions about the “causes” of same sex orientation give rise to public attitudes and policies intended to protect young people, but which instead create significant barriers to the provision of appropriate care and support.

For example, the belief that same sex orientation can be learned or imposed on youth through exposure to lesbian, gay or bisexual adults has led to widespread concern about the sexual orientation of social workers, child and youth workers, teachers, foster parents, adoptive parents and other adults who work with young people (Martin, 1982).

In practice, this deprives all young people of positive lesbian and gay role models, and conveys the message to lesbian, gay and bisexual youth that their sexual orientation is wrong. It also excludes the contributions lesbian, gay and bisexual people can make towards the care, nurturing and education of children and youth.

However, neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality is contagious. Studies have shown that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ significantly from children raised in heterosexual households in the development of gender identity or sexual orientation (Golumbock, Spencer and Rutler, 1983; and Falk, 1989).

In addition, the vast majority of lesbian, gay and bisexual individuals grow up in heterosexual families, where even overt attempts to influence their sexual orientation does not succeed in “converting” them to heterosexuality.

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[underbear1]

Except I can back up my facts, that aren't G*D DAMN made up sh*t from Tony Perkins

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Thats all good and fine underwear, but thats not what I mean by normalisation. I agree totally, that exposure to a homo won't make you one. Just as exposure to a black wont make you black, or exposure to a white wont make you white.

However, exposure to the normality of homosexuality as a normal and healthy sexual orientation will encourage many to experiement with it, just as exposure to a ghetto type environment will change your language, walk, dress, music tastes etc

That is the aim of the normalisation of the homosexual lifestyle.

[underbear1]

Moderators,
I am seriously disappointed in this forum.
You would NEVER allow the factless slurs to a racial or ethnic minority, but when it's only faggots, the sky is the limit. Gays and lesbians who post here shouldn't have to take this garbage.

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: underbear1 Moderators, I am seriously disappointed in this forum. You would NEVER allow the factless slurs to a racial or ethnic minority, but when it's only faggots, the sky is the limit. Gays and lesbians who post here shouldn't have to take this garbage.

Ahhh, the final backstop of the homo community. Cry foul and create the image of segregation and special treatment in the hope that political correctness will shut up the dissent. The meer fact that you identify yourselves as a group that is prejudiced against in society is a travesty.

What prejudice are you suffereing in this forum? Can you only post after 8pm maybe? Can you only post 3 posts per day?

What prejudice are you suffering in society? Can you not be homo? Can you not identify yourself as homo? Can you not associate with other known homos? Must you wear a mark that identifies you as a home?

What prejudice are you suffering? At least issues relating to race or ethnicity had real issues. They had to use seperate beaches/building entry ways/ drinking fountains/buses etc or they were persecuted because of their ethnicity. You dont suffer from any of these things, why are you comparing your self to their plight? A travesty and a falsehood and a misdirection of the greatest order, thats what it is