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mojo_the_migo · Apr 13, 2004, 01:05 am

Anybody else on/have lived on college campus feel there is a great deal of political problems? Off hand, I want to complain about left wing but do some of you think there is a problem with conservatives?

For me it is the left wing. All the campus speakers are to the left, programs and organizations push diversity over excellence and hard work, and I think the socialists have penetrated the School of business. That last one really erks me, the left can have the rest of campus but leave the sacred hollowed halls of the American capitalist business school alone.

And a word about campus groups, the most outspoken group is BAMN. Stands for By Any Means Necessary, they have a huge name and that's only part of it. They are a radical civil rights group determined to paint anybody that disagrees with special treatment with affirmative action, as racist that supports segregation. BAMN Done some looking around on the internet, seems they have major ties to Revolutionary workers league, a communist organization.

I say all this about the left because that's how I feel about my campus, anybody liberal on a conservative campus?

argonak · Apr 13, 2004, 02:02 am

tottally agree. during my bachelor's graduation ceremonies, some student speaker spit his political views at us for half an hour, then switched off to a guest speaker (senator) who did the same thing (although much more eloquently).

came to school to study engineering, all the BS i get bombarded with on a regular basis really wears me out.

Suburbanite · Apr 13, 2004, 02:22 am

Good thread!
I think that for me it is liberals as well. I find that they are angry right now, because they aren't in control. I can't stand it. Firstly because I hate to agree with people, just in general. When some liberal cliché line pops out I just want to get violent. HOWEVER! I have been to a lot of forums and such my school offers, mostly on the economy, and I find that they do an amazing job to remove that bias. My journalist teacher is a liberal, but worry not, she is like Peggy from King of the Hill, she thinks she is Gods Gift to Man but is really dumb as a nail. So while some of my teachers are more left leaning the campus itself doesn’t encourage or discredit these ideas.

Apr 13, 2004, 02:36 am

Fortunately, I served several years in the Army before I went to college. I was 26 when I started school. I went to a private high school and studied a lot before college so I had more ammunition at my disposal when dealing with ultra-this or ultra-that professors. I also, didn't put up with much crap just comming out of the Airborne Infantry. I really enjoyed my time debating my teachers, on their turf, and sometime taking them to task in front of their class. Fortunately, none of these people dared downgrade me for these encounters. I have a good personality and usually befriended all my instructors whether I agreed with them or not.
I had less success with the student body when they began frouthing at the mouth and rabidly spewing whatever was programed into their heads by whatever radical leaders they adored. I had a difficult time walking past the student union without tweeking one or two of these people. My fraternity bros. thought it was quite amusing to see me push these people's buttons.
If you're studying engineering, you can console yourself with the fact that some day while sitting by your pool in your backyard sipping a margarita, these loons will be driving aroung in their 15 year old Yugos plotting on how to oust the evil rich right wingers and institute a more equitable society where they don't have to work because they're smarter than everyone else.

argonak · Apr 13, 2004, 12:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I had less success with the student body when they began frouthing at the mouth and rabidly spewing whatever was programed into their heads by whatever radical leaders they adored.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

this is such a perfect description of so many people here.

dotcoma · Apr 13, 2004, 01:06 pm

Yeah, we all bask in the light of truth eminating from your nine previous posts.

Apr 13, 2004, 02:36 pm

Who's nine previous posts?

Apr 13, 2004, 02:37 pm

OH now I get it, his nine previous post. Good one Rox.

RightThinker · Apr 13, 2004, 03:07 pm

Conservative Campus? Where? I also have had the problem with a liberal campus. The professors act more like left-wing propaganda machines instead of educators. I am either the only one or one of a few conservatives in most of my classes. Most of the class time is me arguing with a professor about whatever the topic is. If I was not in the class the students would only hear one side of the story. If Reagan is mentioned it is used more as a curse than a statement.

A much more extreme problem caused my fiance and I to transfer schools. This is the important details of a long drawn out story. At the beginning of the Iraq war (first week or so) students planned an anti war protest. We had a lot of soldiers at our school due to Fort Drum being near by. Students started of by booing and throwing things at our soldiers. I organized a few people to make signs that said "Support Our Troops! They Have Died For Your Right To Protest" and things like that. The speaker was on a platform in the student Union. We went to the upstairs of the union and held our signs. This caused the media to come up and ask us questions. A professor of PoliSci seen our signs and organized students to rush us and take our spot. She came to my fiance and grabbed her arm tightly digging her nails in and threw her out of the way. My fiance is an extremely passive and sensitive person. She cried out of pain and embarassment. At this point I did not know she was a professor. I went up to the woman and said "do you know you just hurt my fiance? You need to apologize". She simply said "F**k off!" I said what is your name I am calling the University Police. She said Dr. Wesselink . I called the cops filed a report and went through the processes. The school interviewed her and later acted like it didnt even happen. Instead of fighting an uphill battle we just transfered to a much better school. The problem here is that her department chair and the others involved on the investigation are likeminded leftists. Of course they wont do anything to her! I had a few witnesses but she had unlimited! Any liberal "sheep" will lie for their professor. The funniest part about the whole thing was what she said when the cop filed the report and said he was leaving. She said "It wasnt as glamorous as it is on TV! You could have dragged me out in cuffs!" She thought she was this great martyr when all she was is a bully. If a conservative did this to a liberal protester they would have been compared to the SS in Nazi Germany and either fired or suspended.
I am sorry if this story is incoherent. I am doing two things at once and it happened about a year ago.

The school I go to now is all liberal professors too. At least they let me express my opinion!

dotcoma · Apr 13, 2004, 03:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dave654,)
Who's nine previous posts?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

argonak

argonak · Apr 13, 2004, 04:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Yeah, we all bask in the light of truth eminating from your nine previous posts. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

EDIT: Removed the unneccessary and slighty annoyed bits of my response.

I was talking about my campus.

dalin · Apr 13, 2004, 09:30 pm

Hmm, that's interesting. You've all complained of the same problem. Why is it that "liberalism" always seems to tag along with academia?

Even better question: why is any "liberal" considered a "sheep" or a mindless drone of some obscure and crafty evil? That is part of my slight aversion to political discussions today. Stop focusing on partisanship and opposition, and focus on the issues; I believe Washington warned us of this. It connotes a sort of dogmatism impedant to progress...woops, rant.

Anyway,

The college years are arguably one of the most idealistic phases of the average person's life. I think that's why you usually find radical ideas on campuses. Look at the support terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda foster in schools in Islamic regions.

RightThinker, that's an interesting anecdote. Clearly the professor was in the wrong on that one, and should have faced the consequences. However,

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by

Any liberal "sheep" will lie for their professor.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

..I dont believe is an appropriate statement. Hasty generalization.

Apr 13, 2004, 11:04 pm

I didn't say liberal anywhere in my post. I talked about ultra-this and ultra-that people. I will admit that most of who I was speaking about would be considered lefties. However, there were ultra righties as well. I really enjoyed the creationist crowd. There were professors who were non-political, just ultra themselves and their philosophy. The common thread between these individuals is that they subscribe to a set of values and think with their glands. They are simply 1000% right and everyone else is wrong period. Since most of these individuals were just kids, they haven't generated sufficient cognative skills, nor an adequate database of experience or knowledge to figure out their propeganda is BS.

RightThinker · Apr 13, 2004, 11:09 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dalin,)
Hmm, that's interesting. You've all complained of the same problem. Why is it that "liberalism" always seems to tag along with academia?

Even better question: why is any "liberal" considered a "sheep" or a mindless drone of some obscure and crafty evil? That is part of my slight aversion to political discussions today. Stop focusing on partisanship and opposition, and focus on the issues; I believe Washington warned us of this. It connotes a sort of dogmatism impedant to progress...woops, rant.

Anyway,

The college years are arguably one of the most idealistic phases of the average person's life. I think that's why you usually find radical ideas on campuses. Look at the support terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda foster in schools in Islamic regions.

RightThinker, that's an interesting anecdote. Clearly the professor was in the wrong on that one, and should have faced the consequences. However,

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by

Any liberal "sheep" will lie for their professor.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

..I dont believe is an appropriate statement. Hasty generalization.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Yeah it is a generalization but for the most part they would have. And I think conservatives can be "sheep" to. Thats why I specified "liberal" sheep. When I say this I mean someone who came to their first PoliSci class knowing nothing about politics and a liberal professor indoctrinates them. Next thing you know their at a protest wearing a vinegar mask as protection from the tear gas at an anti-World Bank rally. They never even looked at what the other side had to say and they just accepted the dilluted view of one professor.

mojo_the_migo · Apr 14, 2004, 05:22 pm

YIKES!! What College was this, right? I doubt it would have been taken up, but was the O'Reilly factor around when this happened, do you remember what year???

Suburbanite · Apr 14, 2004, 07:26 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (argonak,)

this is such a perfect description of so many people here.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Except you right?

Suburbanite · Apr 14, 2004, 07:27 pm

I almost got in a fight with my teacher today when she brought up politics again. I don't even disagree with her, but I hate to agree with people I don't like, so I just came off as a Bush Supporter. What a dumbass, this woman, i swear.

Apr 14, 2004, 07:52 pm

Most of my professors are in the center. And I do go to a Cal State school... so you would think they would be far off to the left. They really aren't. In fact my english prof last year was more republican. They have a policy in my university that if you feel silenced in any way, you can go complain. That happened to one of the more left wing professors. He was warned about it.

RightThinker · Apr 14, 2004, 08:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mojo_the_migo,)
YIKES!! What College was this, right? I doubt it would have been taken up, but was the O'Reilly factor around when this happened, do you remember what year???<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

It was at SUNY Potsdam in northern NY. Yes Oreilly was around. I thought of that. I did send an email but it probably was never even read.

mojo_the_migo · Apr 14, 2004, 10:34 pm

Last year my english professor was a hard core rightwinger. Great guy, marine Korean war vet. He was getting a bit old and tended to ramble on a bit at times in a conservative manner, "this is WAR people".

Anyhow, I have my Native American lit professor who is on the same coin, different side. Angry left wing hippie. :rolleyes: Ok guy though, I sit in the front row and voice my opinion when he gets out of hand.

Doc Bruss "These libertarian!!! They...They think if they can own something they can do anything they want with it!!!!"

me "Well whats wrong with that?"

Apr 13, 2004, 01:05 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
mojo_the_migo Molten Ash Location: Michigan Posts: 90	Anybody else on/have lived on college campus feel there is a great deal of political problems? Off hand, I want to complain about left wing but do some of you think there is a problem with conservatives? For me it is the left wing. All the campus speakers are to the left, programs and organizations push diversity over excellence and hard work, and I think the socialists have penetrated the School of business. That last one really erks me, the left can have the rest of campus but leave the sacred hollowed halls of the American capitalist business school alone. And a word about campus groups, the most outspoken group is BAMN. Stands for By Any Means Necessary, they have a huge name and that's only part of it. They are a radical civil rights group determined to paint anybody that disagrees with special treatment with affirmative action, as racist that supports segregation. BAMN Done some looking around on the internet, seems they have major ties to Revolutionary workers league, a communist organization. I say all this about the left because that's how I feel about my campus, anybody liberal on a conservative campus? Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty *** damn good - Denis Leary

Apr 13, 2004, 12:38 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
argonak Molten Ash Location: Kansas City Posts: 105	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I had less success with the student body when they began frouthing at the mouth and rabidly spewing whatever was programed into their heads by whatever radical leaders they adored.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> this is such a perfect description of so many people here.

Apr 13, 2004, 03:07 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
RightThinker Molten Ash Location: St. Thomas U. S. V. I. Posts: 146	Conservative Campus? Where? I also have had the problem with a liberal campus. The professors act more like left-wing propaganda machines instead of educators. I am either the only one or one of a few conservatives in most of my classes. Most of the class time is me arguing with a professor about whatever the topic is. If I was not in the class the students would only hear one side of the story. If Reagan is mentioned it is used more as a curse than a statement. A much more extreme problem caused my fiance and I to transfer schools. This is the important details of a long drawn out story. At the beginning of the Iraq war (first week or so) students planned an anti war protest. We had a lot of soldiers at our school due to Fort Drum being near by. Students started of by booing and throwing things at our soldiers. I organized a few people to make signs that said "Support Our Troops! They Have Died For Your Right To Protest" and things like that. The speaker was on a platform in the student Union. We went to the upstairs of the union and held our signs. This caused the media to come up and ask us questions. A professor of PoliSci seen our signs and organized students to rush us and take our spot. She came to my fiance and grabbed her arm tightly digging her nails in and threw her out of the way. My fiance is an extremely passive and sensitive person. She cried out of pain and embarassment. At this point I did not know she was a professor. I went up to the woman and said "do you know you just hurt my fiance? You need to apologize". She simply said "F**k off!" I said what is your name I am calling the University Police. She said Dr. Wesselink . I called the cops filed a report and went through the processes. The school interviewed her and later acted like it didnt even happen. Instead of fighting an uphill battle we just transfered to a much better school. The problem here is that her department chair and the others involved on the investigation are likeminded leftists. Of course they wont do anything to her! I had a few witnesses but she had unlimited! Any liberal "sheep" will lie for their professor. The funniest part about the whole thing was what she said when the cop filed the report and said he was leaving. She said "It wasnt as glamorous as it is on TV! You could have dragged me out in cuffs!" She thought she was this great martyr when all she was is a bully. If a conservative did this to a liberal protester they would have been compared to the SS in Nazi Germany and either fired or suspended. I am sorry if this story is incoherent. I am doing two things at once and it happened about a year ago. The school I go to now is all liberal professors too. At least they let me express my opinion! "This country was founded and built by people with great dreams and the courage to take great risks." -Ronald Reagan- January 26, 1983

Apr 13, 2004, 03:38 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dave654,) Who's nine previous posts?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> argonak

Apr 13, 2004, 04:05 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
argonak Molten Ash Location: Kansas City Posts: 105	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Yeah, we all bask in the light of truth eminating from your nine previous posts. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> EDIT: Removed the unneccessary and slighty annoyed bits of my response. I was talking about my campus.

Apr 13, 2004, 02:02 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
argonak Molten Ash Location: Kansas City Posts: 105	tottally agree. during my bachelor's graduation ceremonies, some student speaker spit his political views at us for half an hour, then switched off to a guest speaker (senator) who did the same thing (although much more eloquently). came to school to study engineering, all the BS i get bombarded with on a regular basis really wears me out.

Apr 13, 2004, 02:22 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Good thread! I think that for me it is liberals as well. I find that they are angry right now, because they aren't in control. I can't stand it. Firstly because I hate to agree with people, just in general. When some liberal cliché line pops out I just want to get violent. HOWEVER! I have been to a lot of forums and such my school offers, mostly on the economy, and I find that they do an amazing job to remove that bias. My journalist teacher is a liberal, but worry not, she is like Peggy from King of the Hill, she thinks she is Gods Gift to Man but is really dumb as a nail. So while some of my teachers are more left leaning the campus itself doesn’t encourage or discredit these ideas.

Apr 13, 2004, 02:36 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Fortunately, I served several years in the Army before I went to college. I was 26 when I started school. I went to a private high school and studied a lot before college so I had more ammunition at my disposal when dealing with ultra-this or ultra-that professors. I also, didn't put up with much crap just comming out of the Airborne Infantry. I really enjoyed my time debating my teachers, on their turf, and sometime taking them to task in front of their class. Fortunately, none of these people dared downgrade me for these encounters. I have a good personality and usually befriended all my instructors whether I agreed with them or not. I had less success with the student body when they began frouthing at the mouth and rabidly spewing whatever was programed into their heads by whatever radical leaders they adored. I had a difficult time walking past the student union without tweeking one or two of these people. My fraternity bros. thought it was quite amusing to see me push these people's buttons. If you're studying engineering, you can console yourself with the fact that some day while sitting by your pool in your backyard sipping a margarita, these loons will be driving aroung in their 15 year old Yugos plotting on how to oust the evil rich right wingers and institute a more equitable society where they don't have to work because they're smarter than everyone else.

Apr 13, 2004, 01:06 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Yeah, we all bask in the light of truth eminating from your nine previous posts.

Apr 13, 2004, 02:36 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Who's nine previous posts?

Apr 13, 2004, 02:37 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	OH now I get it, his nine previous post. Good one Rox.

Apr 13, 2004, 09:30 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
dalin Molten Ash Posts: 118	Hmm, that's interesting. You've all complained of the same problem. Why is it that "liberalism" always seems to tag along with academia? Even better question: why is any "liberal" considered a "sheep" or a mindless drone of some obscure and crafty evil? That is part of my slight aversion to political discussions today. Stop focusing on partisanship and opposition, and focus on the issues; I believe Washington warned us of this. It connotes a sort of dogmatism impedant to progress...woops, rant. Anyway, The college years are arguably one of the most idealistic phases of the average person's life. I think that's why you usually find radical ideas on campuses. Look at the support terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda foster in schools in Islamic regions. RightThinker, that's an interesting anecdote. Clearly the professor was in the wrong on that one, and should have faced the consequences. However, </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Any liberal "sheep" will lie for their professor. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> ..I dont believe is an appropriate statement. Hasty generalization.

Apr 13, 2004, 11:04 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	I didn't say liberal anywhere in my post. I talked about ultra-this and ultra-that people. I will admit that most of who I was speaking about would be considered lefties. However, there were ultra righties as well. I really enjoyed the creationist crowd. There were professors who were non-political, just ultra themselves and their philosophy. The common thread between these individuals is that they subscribe to a set of values and think with their glands. They are simply 1000% right and everyone else is wrong period. Since most of these individuals were just kids, they haven't generated sufficient cognative skills, nor an adequate database of experience or knowledge to figure out their propeganda is BS.

Apr 13, 2004, 11:09 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
RightThinker Molten Ash Location: St. Thomas U. S. V. I. Posts: 146	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dalin,) Hmm, that's interesting. You've all complained of the same problem. Why is it that "liberalism" always seems to tag along with academia? Even better question: why is any "liberal" considered a "sheep" or a mindless drone of some obscure and crafty evil? That is part of my slight aversion to political discussions today. Stop focusing on partisanship and opposition, and focus on the issues; I believe Washington warned us of this. It connotes a sort of dogmatism impedant to progress...woops, rant. Anyway, The college years are arguably one of the most idealistic phases of the average person's life. I think that's why you usually find radical ideas on campuses. Look at the support terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda foster in schools in Islamic regions. RightThinker, that's an interesting anecdote. Clearly the professor was in the wrong on that one, and should have faced the consequences. However, </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Any liberal "sheep" will lie for their professor. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> ..I dont believe is an appropriate statement. Hasty generalization.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Yeah it is a generalization but for the most part they would have. And I think conservatives can be "sheep" to. Thats why I specified "liberal" sheep. When I say this I mean someone who came to their first PoliSci class knowing nothing about politics and a liberal professor indoctrinates them. Next thing you know their at a protest wearing a vinegar mask as protection from the tear gas at an anti-World Bank rally. They never even looked at what the other side had to say and they just accepted the dilluted view of one professor. "This country was founded and built by people with great dreams and the courage to take great risks." -Ronald Reagan- January 26, 1983

Apr 14, 2004, 05:22 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
mojo_the_migo Molten Ash Location: Michigan Posts: 90	YIKES!! What College was this, right? I doubt it would have been taken up, but was the O'Reilly factor around when this happened, do you remember what year??? Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty *** damn good - Denis Leary

Apr 14, 2004, 07:26 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (argonak,) this is such a perfect description of so many people here.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Except you right?

Apr 14, 2004, 07:27 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I almost got in a fight with my teacher today when she brought up politics again. I don't even disagree with her, but I hate to agree with people I don't like, so I just came off as a Bush Supporter. What a dumbass, this woman, i swear.

Apr 14, 2004, 07:52 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	Most of my professors are in the center. And I do go to a Cal State school... so you would think they would be far off to the left. They really aren't. In fact my english prof last year was more republican. They have a policy in my university that if you feel silenced in any way, you can go complain. That happened to one of the more left wing professors. He was warned about it.

Apr 14, 2004, 08:00 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
RightThinker Molten Ash Location: St. Thomas U. S. V. I. Posts: 146	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mojo_the_migo,) YIKES!! What College was this, right? I doubt it would have been taken up, but was the O'Reilly factor around when this happened, do you remember what year???<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> It was at SUNY Potsdam in northern NY. Yes Oreilly was around. I thought of that. I did send an email but it probably was never even read. "This country was founded and built by people with great dreams and the courage to take great risks." -Ronald Reagan- January 26, 1983

Apr 14, 2004, 10:34 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
mojo_the_migo Molten Ash Location: Michigan Posts: 90	Last year my english professor was a hard core rightwinger. Great guy, marine Korean war vet. He was getting a bit old and tended to ramble on a bit at times in a conservative manner, "this is WAR people". Anyhow, I have my Native American lit professor who is on the same coin, different side. Angry left wing hippie. :rolleyes: Ok guy though, I sit in the front row and voice my opinion when he gets out of hand. Doc Bruss "These libertarian!!! They...They think if they can own something they can do anything they want with it!!!!" me "Well whats wrong with that?" Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty *** damn good - Denis Leary