Homosexuality

[another day]

It's obviously due to hormone inbalances in most cases, which would explain why most gay guys are really fruity and feminine...Although there are some macho guys who are gay but that doesn't rule it out...there are exceptions to every rule and Im sure some men could simply "choose" to be gay, or more accuratly, chose to be bisexual.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: belverron And I hope that you don't think the one gay twin, one straight twin is a huge revelation only brought to light by last week's 60 Minutes.

Got any other references to research?

[Sonart]

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Quote by: another day It's obviously due to hormone inbalances in most cases, which would explain why most gay guys are really fruity and feminine.

"Most" gays?..... or simply the ones so obvious that you're aware of them. You know lots and lots of gays, do you?


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[Jack]

Im sure some men could simply "choose" to be gay, or more accuratly, chose to be bisexual.

But you choose to be straight, huh? Sure buddy, I believe you... :rolleyes:

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: Isherwood But you choose to be straight, huh? Sure buddy, I believe you... :rolleyes:

You dont see homosexuality as a lifestyle choice isherwood?

[LetThereBe]

Here is how I see homosexuality fitting in with the Bible. According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. There are some people with homosexual tendencies, for whatever reason, be they genetic, conscious decision, or imposed by the environment in which they grew up. The same can be said about nearly any Biblical sin. Some are more inclined to be alcoholics, adulterers, liars, murderers, rapists, thieves, hypocrites, blasphemers, or one of the other many types of sinners found in the Bible. If these "christians" would look into their own lives, they would have to be just as judgemental of themselves. Why should one sin be greater than another?

I will listen to their arguments when I hear them condemn themselves. At least then they will be consistent.

[Jack]

Seeker of Sins: A lifestyle may be chosen. I could decide to live the "gay lifestyle" or a "straight lifestyle". I doubt there is any consensus on what constitutes either of those. Do you mean limp-wristed, flaming queer as opposed to Marlboro Man? Whatever lifestyle one leads, it doesn't necessarily speak to their sexual orientation. Orientation is organic at least at some level. Lifestyle is purely social.
Let There Be: I have no idea what you mean by, "I will listen to their arguments when I hear them condemn themselves.", but since as an atheist I don't buy the whole sin thing anyway I guess it doesn't really matter.

[jake3456]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Catholic priests are celibate and don't marry. They don't have legitimate children that they rear...Where did you get this cockamamie story? What about the twins on last week's 60 Minutes? One gay the other straight... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1385230.shtml How does your hormone theory fit with identicals from a single zygote, born at the same time through the same birth canal? Sexual preference is a goddam mystery. The science ain't there yet...

Ahh...Sorry...That was a long time ago...two years ago. It wasn't catholic...It was one of the more "extremist" denominations of Christianity.

But who knows. Might have been total bs anyway.

[jake3456]

Quote by: LetThereBe Here is how I see homosexuality fitting in with the Bible. According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. There are some people with homosexual tendencies, for whatever reason, be they genetic, conscious decision, or imposed by the environment in which they grew up. The same can be said about nearly any Biblical sin. Some are more inclined to be alcoholics, adulterers, liars, murderers, rapists, thieves, hypocrites, blasphemers, or one of the other many types of sinners found in the Bible. If these "christians" would look into their own lives, they would have to be just as judgemental of themselves. Why should one sin be greater than another? I will listen to their arguments when I hear them condemn themselves. At least then they will be consistent.

As an atheist , I feel it is rather bold of me to make this statement, but: WHAT THE HELL WOULD JESUS DO?????

Jesus wouldn't tell a homosexual he was going to hell. Jesus would accept them. And I think you are very narrow minded to say the only time you'll listen to a homosexual's arguments is when they are condemning themselves.

[underbear1]

The best information I have is that at least 8 genes are involved and the hormone level of the mother's womb may also be a factor. there is also a theory that men with more older brothers are more likely to be gay. whatever the cause of sexual orientation, it is set in a child by age three, and is INALTERABLE. Just as heterosexuals don't know how they become what they become, gays are equally mysterious. Very few scientific studies seek to find out why women become lesbian, seems it's easier to spot the little sissies than it is the tom boys.

[Sinner]

Homosexual orientation is the result of accumulated genetic disorder. To put it simply, the more people sin the more likely their children will have homosexual tendencies as well as other genetic abnourmalities.

So in fact homosexuals have no choice, they are born this way. However this does not at all excuse them indulging in this sin. If heterosexual people can avoid sex in order not to sin, what exuse have homosexual people? None.

In fact being born with these tendencies is an opportunity to achieve moral perfection, by not indulging in this filth. This is exactly what God expects of homosexuals.

[samsara15]

I think almost all people are to some degree bisexual. It's a continuum. I think religious people become homophobic because they see hints of this bisexuality in themselves, resist it, and since they usually resist it most of the time, condemn other people who had stronger tendencies than they did, and sayu these other perople could have successfully resisted it. We could all be celibate, if we chose to, but that would not deny the reality of the impulses we felt. Religious people like to deny the world and sensusality because they think this world is evil and only the Eternal Afterlife (if there is one) matters. That same kind of thinking led to the Inqusition - if someone endangered the immortal soul of others by leading them into sin and away from God, almost any actions against them could be justified.

[LetThereBe]

Quote by: jake3456 As an atheist , I feel it is rather bold of me to make this statement, but: WHAT THE HELL WOULD JESUS DO????? Jesus wouldn't tell a homosexual he was going to hell. Jesus would accept them. And I think you are very narrow minded to say the only time you'll listen to a homosexual's arguments is when they are condemning themselves.

Wow, you completely misunderstood my post. My point was that everyone is a sinner, and homosexuality is just another sin. These "christians" who are so judgemental are guilty of sin, and homosexuality is no worse than the sins they commit. I was saying the supposed CHRISTIANS should be judging themselves before attacking homosexuality. I would only listen to the CHRISTIAN'S arguments if they condemned themselves.

[another day]

""Most" gays?..... or simply the ones so obvious that you're aware of them. You know lots and lots of gays, do you?"

Nope, most gay people ARE quite feminine. I've met lots of gay people, and it's a true stereotype.

[jake3456]

Quote by: LetThereBe Wow, you completely misunderstood my post. My point was that everyone is a sinner, and homosexuality is just another sin. These "christians" who are so judgemental are guilty of sin, and homosexuality is no worse than the sins they commit. I was saying the supposed CHRISTIANS should be judging themselves before attacking homosexuality. I would only listen to the CHRISTIAN'S arguments if they condemned themselves.

oh ok, all's clear now. In that case, I agree.
Ps- I like your icon...That movie is one of my favorites

[jake3456]

Quote by: another day ""Most" gays?..... or simply the ones so obvious that you're aware of them. You know lots and lots of gays, do you?" Nope, most gay people ARE quite feminine. I've met lots of gay people, and it's a true stereotype.

Yes but do you realize that there's feminine and masculine gays? And usually they pair together. Maybe heterosexuality is INSTINCTIVE, but not neccessarily in EVERYONE, and that is why they *usually* pair.

And you're right about that being a stereotype. A majority of gays are feminine, and likewise, a majority of lesbians are masculine.

[belverron]

Quote by: jake3456 Yes but do you realize that there's feminine and masculine gays? And usually they pair together. Maybe heterosexuality is INSTINCTIVE, but not neccessarily in EVERYONE, and that is why they *usually* pair. And you're right about that being a stereotype. A majority of gays are feminine, and likewise, a majority of lesbians are masculine.

It might be more accurate to say that most gays are less masculine than straight men and most lesbians less feminine than straight women. I'm gay and my roommate is a lesbian, and we seem to have about the same degree of masculinity/femininity. We just don't really have to adhere to the gender roles, so we don't.

[underbear1]

This thread is so full of shit and misinformation, I feel like I'm reading something out of the G*D DAMN Dark Ages. Homosexuality isn't a sin, an abomination, a karmic payback for sinful parents, a mental disorder, or a "lifestyle". Maybe if most of the demented people who have posted this utter crap had ever met a queer, they'd be better informed. If this is the view of the majority of this forum, hell I'm definitely out of here!

[Jack]

If heterosexual people can avoid sex in order not to sin, what exuse have homosexual people? None.

Who says they don't? Straight people have this notion that all gay people are humping like rabbits. At least, they figure, they would be if they were gay.

Well, sorry. Most the guys I know around my age are pretty much like our straight counterparts. Sex itself is becoming less frantic, less necessary, less frequent. All most people ever think of are the young. I hope gay teens are having sex frequently...and safely. I hope straight teens are, too. Sex during those years is intense and significant. It's still new, with that new-car leather sort of smell.

by not indulging in this filth.

Ah, dude. You almost made it clear to the end of your post without being judgmental. No indulgences for you.

You know lots and lots of gays, do you?"

Nope, most gay people ARE quite feminine. I've met lots of gay people, and it's a true stereotype.

Let me see if I get this straight. "Nope", you don't "know lots and lots of gays, do you?" But you "met lots of gay people, and it's a true stereotype". So you've met a "lot" of gays, probably once since you admit you don't "know" them, and based on that obviously limited exposure you feel confident to state emphatically that "most" gay men are effeminate?
Man I love to be underestimated. You folks make it so easy to pass unnoticed among you everyday. You only see what you expect to see. How many other amazing moments of enlightenment are you missing because you only see what fits into your preconceptions?

[jake3456]

Quote by: underbear1 This thread is so full of shit and misinformation, I feel like I'm reading something out of the G*D DAMN Dark Ages. Homosexuality isn't a sin, an abomination, a karmic payback for sinful parents, a mental disorder, or a "lifestyle". Maybe if most of the demented people who have posted this utter crap had ever met a queer, they'd be better informed. If this is the view of the majority of this forum, hell I'm definitely out of here!

someone has a short fuse!