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Athena · Mar 16, 2006, 12:52 pm

Boetie's comments about "manufactured consent" are so important we must discuss what this means and what to do about it.

I want to know what Boetie means by being blocked?

For years I have writen letters to the editor to bring into public awareness another point of view. I have also written my representatives and too oftened learned the reason they make decisions I don't like, is they don't know what I know. Especially this manifestation of the New World Order, what we fought against, seems like a force with so much momentum and so much below our consciousness, that it seems unstopable- by hey, that is why many of are here, isn't it?

Everyone has been taught to rely on authority. Reporters, like scientist, are not doing their own research work, but are relying on authority. My local paper is called the "Register Guard" but the staff today, has no memory of why the newspaper was given this name. They are all being "technological correct" and are so sure this is right, they don't understand the Register Guard once defended our freedoms and defended us from corruption, by doing investative reporting. They rely solely on the Associate Press, and will not risk another news source. Being correct has become the most important thing! and those who make human errors of judgement, because they did not rely on "authority" the "legitimate source of information" loose their careers. The problem begins in grade school edcuation. It is education for technology instead of liberal education that defends our freedom.

LetThereBe · Mar 16, 2006, 10:36 pm

I concur. Our system rewards the cautious and destroys the bold.

Boetie · Mar 16, 2006, 11:20 pm

What I mean by blocked is, someone is preventing me from this site. It is not my ISP and it is not the site.

The term, manufactured consent was coined back in the early part of the twentieth century. Also back then Americans were considered pacifist. It was the use of propaganda that lured American into the first world war.

Is anyone aware that conservative think tanks back in the 1960's vowed to steer the country to the right? By the 1990's these think tanks were armed with a cash of over billions of dollars just for that purpose.

Do you think they have succesfully manufactured consent, that is to say, they have used the same technique an advertising agency would use and America fell for it hook line and sinker?

Those that have used manufactured consent techniques have been way ahead of the game and the masses have been way behind. Even today the masses still haven't caught onto the tricks used against them.

grandpa · Mar 17, 2006, 09:48 am

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Quote by: Boetie

The term, manufactured consent was coined back in the early part of the twentieth century. Also back then Americans were considered pacifist. It was the use of propaganda that lured American into the first world war.

Is anyone aware that conservative think tanks back in the 1960's vowed to steer the country to the right? By the 1990's these think tanks were armed with a cash of over billions of dollars just for that purpose.

Do you think they have succesfully manufactured consent, that is to say, they have used the same technique an advertising agency would use and America fell for it hook line and sinker?

Those that have used manufactured consent techniques have been way ahead of the game and the masses have been way behind. Even today the masses still haven't caught onto the tricks used against them.

Yes, I think they have been successful. They have steered the country away from what I would consider a normal direction.

Grandpa h.

tman_ndsu08 · Mar 17, 2006, 09:53 am

There is no such thing as a normal direction.

Milton Bradley · Mar 17, 2006, 01:47 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Boetie

What I mean by blocked is, someone is preventing me from this site. It is not my ISP and it is not the site.

The term, manufactured consent was coined back in the early part of the twentieth century. Also back then Americans were considered pacifist. It was the use of propaganda that lured American into the first world war.

Is anyone aware that conservative think tanks back in the 1960's vowed to steer the country to the right? By the 1990's these think tanks were armed with a cash of over billions of dollars just for that purpose.

Do you think they have succesfully manufactured consent, that is to say, they have used the same technique an advertising agency would use and America fell for it hook line and sinker?

Those that have used manufactured consent techniques have been way ahead of the game and the masses have been way behind. Even today the masses still haven't caught onto the tricks used against them.

I also concur with this summation.

Wealthy people within our borders want this form of government destroyed, and the only way was from within. We were warned, but generations fell asleep at the wheel, and we are paying the price for their transgressions.

Athena · Mar 19, 2006, 10:43 am

I am not clear on what you mean by manufactored consent?

I was shocked by the support for the attack on Iraq. Now I am equally shocked by the arguments against the war. What a bunch of idiots! I mean, when everyone jumped on the band wagon and supported the war, did any of them do independent research first?
Shall we begin with Baghdad is the doorway between east and west. This is the connection for the historical Silk Road. It has been the desired peice of real estate at least since the technology of railroads. Opps, I am getting off course

But speaking of the first world war, industry wanted to close public schools and teachers argued, an institution for making good citizens is good for making patriotic citizens, and we used public schools to mobilize our nation for war in WWI and WWII. And we continued to use to public education to militarized our country. Something some wanted to do to a greater degree when we mobilized for the first world war.

I am picking up more and more information about the very strong role religion plays in mobilizing people for war. During the holiday season, there was Billy Graham with a most artistic and dramatic appeal, telling us God compells men to fight in Iraq. Yetesday I picked up an old tape explaining how God heals terriblely wounded soldiers, but humans have to pay for the facility where God's work can be done. I also bought a 1940 book "War and Its Causes". Modern man must be malnipulated into wars, because they are not being personally attacked. They must be made to believe that they are personally threatened, and that a very expensive standing army is essential, and the military actions taken by the corporated controlled military, are necessary to their personal protection. Is this what you mean by manufactured consent? Our acceptence of being militarized and supporting military force for the sake of big corruptions?

Athena · Mar 19, 2006, 10:53 am

That was important information Boetie! I googles it. What do you say we make our own think tank here at volconvo by learning more about the forces that have been controlling the US?

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http://www.heritage.org/Press/nr030403a.cfm

Their influence is partly a matter of ideas. Two of the brainwaves of the 1990s-welfare reform and zero-tolerance policing-were incubated in conservative think-tanks. The Cato Institute has been arguing for privatising Social Security reform for years; the AEI was protesting about rogue states long before anybody had heard of Osama bin Laden. But it is also a matter of people. Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice are both Hoover veterans. Dick Cheney and his wife have a longstanding relationship with the AEI. Elaine Chao, the labour secretary, is a Heritage alumnus. The Defence Policy Board is headed by Richard Perle, the Uberhawk from the AEI, and a quarter of its board members come from Hoover. Hundreds of lower-level administration employees cut their teeth in think-tanks. If "people are policy", as Edwin Feulner, the head of Heritage, likes to say, then the think tanks are becoming America's shadow government.

Athena · Mar 19, 2006, 12:05 pm

This site explains the shift of conservatives from a focus on welfare reform to a focus on world control through military action. This is so obvious in groups such as the Cicero Society, which open with praise of conservitives. These mostly older men and some older women, are strong Republicans, opposed to the present military spending. That is the Republicans have had strong support because past conservitive interest, and that is no long what the Republican party is about.

My father is not only a Republican, but has been consulting with the military on the development of Star War weapons. These older conservatives served in WWII and are very patriotic, and believe in a strong defense, but never, ever though our own country would become the military agressor. When I attempt to rise my fathers awareness that we were in fact militarizing our nation, just as Germany did, his reaction to refuse to listen. What I am saying to totally abhorrent to him.

The conservatives are in a crisis now. The leader of the Republican party is doing something intolerable, and they either have to deny this, or turn against their own party, and there is no acceptable place for them to turn. For economic reasons, they can not turn to Republicans. Possibly they could turn to the Libertarians if the Libertarians can appear to be strong enough, to attact people who abhor weakness and deviation from being conservative.

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north180.html

Establishment liberals have been content since 1948 to defend the State of Israel, fund its experiments in government-subsidized housing, and maintain the flow of Arabian oil. In contrast, the neoconservatives see the defense of Israel as necessitating a shift in Islamic states to democracy. Their assumption is that democracy will somehow not lead to theocracy. This non-theocratic transition can be accomplished, if at all, only by American military force, i.e., permanent regional presence. They are willing to pay this price, i.e., have American taxpayers and troops pay it.

BobbyO · Mar 22, 2006, 12:34 am

If this theory of manufactured consent is correct, what does say about the prospects of democracy? It would be very dim indeed

Athena · Mar 22, 2006, 12:33 pm

Yes, the prospect of democracy is very dim, and those who insist the US is not a democracy are largely to blame for this. These are often the same people who argue against paying taxes for public education. They insist the US is a Republic and seem to believe a Republic is best with only a few schalors are making the decisions. They do not get why this becomes a tyranny. Often I feel like I am standing alone against such an opinion and that those holding it address me very condensendingly.

Mar 16, 2006, 12:52 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Athena Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,148	"manufactured consent." Boetie's comments about "manufactured consent" are so important we must discuss what this means and what to do about it. I want to know what Boetie means by being blocked? For years I have writen letters to the editor to bring into public awareness another point of view. I have also written my representatives and too oftened learned the reason they make decisions I don't like, is they don't know what I know. Especially this manifestation of the New World Order, what we fought against, seems like a force with so much momentum and so much below our consciousness, that it seems unstopable- by hey, that is why many of are here, isn't it? Everyone has been taught to rely on authority. Reporters, like scientist, are not doing their own research work, but are relying on authority. My local paper is called the "Register Guard" but the staff today, has no memory of why the newspaper was given this name. They are all being "technological correct" and are so sure this is right, they don't understand the Register Guard once defended our freedoms and defended us from corruption, by doing investative reporting. They rely solely on the Associate Press, and will not risk another news source. Being correct has become the most important thing! and those who make human errors of judgement, because they did not rely on "authority" the "legitimate source of information" loose their careers. The problem begins in grade school edcuation. It is education for technology instead of liberal education that defends our freedom. Last edited by Athena; Mar 16, 2006 at 12:56 pm.

Mar 16, 2006, 10:36 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
LetThereBe Always Seeking Location: Ohio Posts: 720	I concur. Our system rewards the cautious and destroys the bold. It is just.

Mar 16, 2006, 11:20 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Boetie Hot Lava Posts: 1,227	What I mean by blocked is, someone is preventing me from this site. It is not my ISP and it is not the site. The term, manufactured consent was coined back in the early part of the twentieth century. Also back then Americans were considered pacifist. It was the use of propaganda that lured American into the first world war. Is anyone aware that conservative think tanks back in the 1960's vowed to steer the country to the right? By the 1990's these think tanks were armed with a cash of over billions of dollars just for that purpose. Do you think they have succesfully manufactured consent, that is to say, they have used the same technique an advertising agency would use and America fell for it hook line and sinker? Those that have used manufactured consent techniques have been way ahead of the game and the masses have been way behind. Even today the masses still haven't caught onto the tricks used against them. Last edited by Boetie; Mar 16, 2006 at 11:39 pm.

Mar 17, 2006, 09:53 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	There is no such thing as a normal direction.

Mar 19, 2006, 10:43 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Athena Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,148	I am not clear on what you mean by manufactored consent? I was shocked by the support for the attack on Iraq. Now I am equally shocked by the arguments against the war. What a bunch of idiots! I mean, when everyone jumped on the band wagon and supported the war, did any of them do independent research first? Shall we begin with Baghdad is the doorway between east and west. This is the connection for the historical Silk Road. It has been the desired peice of real estate at least since the technology of railroads. Opps, I am getting off course But speaking of the first world war, industry wanted to close public schools and teachers argued, an institution for making good citizens is good for making patriotic citizens, and we used public schools to mobilize our nation for war in WWI and WWII. And we continued to use to public education to militarized our country. Something some wanted to do to a greater degree when we mobilized for the first world war. I am picking up more and more information about the very strong role religion plays in mobilizing people for war. During the holiday season, there was Billy Graham with a most artistic and dramatic appeal, telling us God compells men to fight in Iraq. Yetesday I picked up an old tape explaining how God heals terriblely wounded soldiers, but humans have to pay for the facility where God's work can be done. I also bought a 1940 book "War and Its Causes". Modern man must be malnipulated into wars, because they are not being personally attacked. They must be made to believe that they are personally threatened, and that a very expensive standing army is essential, and the military actions taken by the corporated controlled military, are necessary to their personal protection. Is this what you mean by manufactured consent? Our acceptence of being militarized and supporting military force for the sake of big corruptions?

Mar 22, 2006, 12:34 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
BobbyO Kuehnelt-Leddihn Location: Brookyn, USA Posts: 773	If this theory of manufactured consent is correct, what does say about the prospects of democracy? It would be very dim indeed

Mar 22, 2006, 12:33 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Athena Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,148	Yes, the prospect of democracy is very dim, and those who insist the US is not a democracy are largely to blame for this. These are often the same people who argue against paying taxes for public education. They insist the US is a Republic and seem to believe a Republic is best with only a few schalors are making the decisions. They do not get why this becomes a tyranny. Often I feel like I am standing alone against such an opinion and that those holding it address me very condensendingly.