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DadaOrwell2 · Feb 24, 2006, 05:28 pm

Another piece of New Hampshire news I'd like to get the volconvo take on. Since I wrote the article I hope I may be forgiven for posting it in its short entirity:

January 2, 2006
Concord, N.H.

Concerned by perceived abuses of Federal power during the Katrina crisis, New Hampshire state reps are reviewing a bill which would criminalize certain weapons seizures - even if the perpetrators are Federal officers. House Bill 1639-FN, prohibits the confiscation of lawfully owned and lawfully carried firearms during a state of emergency, making a felon of any law enforcement officer who attempts to seize such a firearm during a disaster.

The bill was sponsored by Rep. Paul Hopfgarten at the request of local Free Staters - members of a group trying to recruit freedom lovers to New Hampshire and turn it into an even more libertarian state than it already is (www.freestateproject.org).

The bill reads: "Any law enforcement officer, person acting as a law enforcement officer, or other public official who confiscates or attempts to confiscate lawfully carried or lawfully owned firearms in this state during a declared state of emergency
shall be charged with a class A felony."

In the chaos following Hurricane Katrina, various government agencies - including Federal Marshalls - made systematic
attempts to sweep New Orleans of guns - even if that meant entering the homes of law abiding gun owners. The move did not cause widespread outrage in most states. But New Hampshire residents reacted by burning a FEMA flag in front of a local Federal building. They also circulated a petition pledging resistance if such a move were ever attempted in the "Live Free or Die" state....a place where guns are part of the culture and gun laws are the second-loosest in the nation.

Activists say whether it passes or not, this "Gun Protection Bill" is one more small thing they can do to try and protect themselves from disarmament at the hands of any government, during a time when they believe they will need their weapons most.

Bill text: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...06/hb1639.html
Information regarding the date and time of the bill hearing:
http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=2550.0
Media coverage of FEMA flag burn:
http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...63/1001/NEWS01

DadaOrwell2 · Feb 26, 2006, 08:01 pm

Here's the latest: The House Committee hearing the bill has voted 13-5 to recommend that the bill not pass.

However it must still go before the full House on March 7, where such recommendations are sometimes overturned.

Primarily this "no" vote stems from concerns that this would have a chilling affect on a policeman's ability to briefly secure a weapon from a person while trying to determine whether it is "lawfully borne." An amended version may come into play next year that addresses this concern, and in the meantime I understand several other state legislatures have initiated copycat legislation, or at least legislation that is similar. We'll see how these do. It's a start!

More details are on the NHfree.com forums:

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=2550.0

Osborn F Enready · Feb 27, 2006, 02:47 am

I agree with the premise, but will be tough to uncloud the grey areas.

DadaOrwell2 · Aug 24, 2006, 07:48 pm

Update:

New Hampshire's wep-seizure-prevention-bill-become-law went into effect last month.

On a related note I got one of the Fed Marshalls on the phone who was in New Orleans, but based here in NH. His name is Gary Dimartino, although I may have the spelling wrong. He is a supervisor. Asked him about the wep seizures and specifically the article below.

I told him that I appreciated his return of my phone call and that I knew there were probably many good things that he had done over the last months which I know nothing about, and that I realize there is some unfairness in the fact that I only call to complain, but that I appreciate whatever good he may have done.

I told him I felt New Orleans was an example of a bad thing, and he got kind of excited and said "we did a lot of good things there," he said there might be other things the weren't good but NO was not one of them. I went a week without sleep, he said. I told him I believed him, but that mixed in with the good was some bad stuff. I mentioned to him the sept. 8 2005 washington post article at

Troops Escalate Urgency of Evacuation

regarding a bar owner in the dry part of NO who had prepared well and had a generator, and an open bar:

"But on Wednesday night, Guidos said, armed federal agents identifying themselves as U.S. marshals confiscated her weapons and ordered her and six friends to leave by noon Thursday.

'When you get 15 M-16s pointed at you and they line you up against the wall, it's kind of scary,' said Guidos, 55."

He denied knowledge of this. I asked him to do whatever was in his power to keep this kind of thing from happening twice.

Feb 24, 2006, 05:28 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
DadaOrwell2 Molten Ash Posts: 65	New Hampshire bill aims to prevent Katrina-style gun seizures Another piece of New Hampshire news I'd like to get the volconvo take on. Since I wrote the article I hope I may be forgiven for posting it in its short entirity: January 2, 2006 Concord, N.H. Concerned by perceived abuses of Federal power during the Katrina crisis, New Hampshire state reps are reviewing a bill which would criminalize certain weapons seizures - even if the perpetrators are Federal officers. House Bill 1639-FN, prohibits the confiscation of lawfully owned and lawfully carried firearms during a state of emergency, making a felon of any law enforcement officer who attempts to seize such a firearm during a disaster. The bill was sponsored by Rep. Paul Hopfgarten at the request of local Free Staters - members of a group trying to recruit freedom lovers to New Hampshire and turn it into an even more libertarian state than it already is (www.freestateproject.org). The bill reads: "Any law enforcement officer, person acting as a law enforcement officer, or other public official who confiscates or attempts to confiscate lawfully carried or lawfully owned firearms in this state during a declared state of emergency shall be charged with a class A felony." In the chaos following Hurricane Katrina, various government agencies - including Federal Marshalls - made systematic attempts to sweep New Orleans of guns - even if that meant entering the homes of law abiding gun owners. The move did not cause widespread outrage in most states. But New Hampshire residents reacted by burning a FEMA flag in front of a local Federal building. They also circulated a petition pledging resistance if such a move were ever attempted in the "Live Free or Die" state....a place where guns are part of the culture and gun laws are the second-loosest in the nation. Activists say whether it passes or not, this "Gun Protection Bill" is one more small thing they can do to try and protect themselves from disarmament at the hands of any government, during a time when they believe they will need their weapons most. Bill text: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...06/hb1639.html Information regarding the date and time of the bill hearing: http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=2550.0 Media coverage of FEMA flag burn: http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...63/1001/NEWS01 The New Hampshire Revolution Is Now Televised http://RidleyReport.com

Feb 26, 2006, 08:01 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
DadaOrwell2 Molten Ash Posts: 65	Here's the latest: The House Committee hearing the bill has voted 13-5 to recommend that the bill not pass. However it must still go before the full House on March 7, where such recommendations are sometimes overturned. Primarily this "no" vote stems from concerns that this would have a chilling affect on a policeman's ability to briefly secure a weapon from a person while trying to determine whether it is "lawfully borne." An amended version may come into play next year that addresses this concern, and in the meantime I understand several other state legislatures have initiated copycat legislation, or at least legislation that is similar. We'll see how these do. It's a start! More details are on the NHfree.com forums: http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=2550.0 The New Hampshire Revolution Is Now Televised http://RidleyReport.com

Feb 27, 2006, 02:47 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I agree with the premise, but will be tough to uncloud the grey areas. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Aug 24, 2006, 07:48 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
DadaOrwell2 Molten Ash Posts: 65	Update: New Hampshire's wep-seizure-prevention-bill-become-law went into effect last month. On a related note I got one of the Fed Marshalls on the phone who was in New Orleans, but based here in NH. His name is Gary Dimartino, although I may have the spelling wrong. He is a supervisor. Asked him about the wep seizures and specifically the article below. I told him that I appreciated his return of my phone call and that I knew there were probably many good things that he had done over the last months which I know nothing about, and that I realize there is some unfairness in the fact that I only call to complain, but that I appreciate whatever good he may have done. I told him I felt New Orleans was an example of a bad thing, and he got kind of excited and said "we did a lot of good things there," he said there might be other things the weren't good but NO was not one of them. I went a week without sleep, he said. I told him I believed him, but that mixed in with the good was some bad stuff. I mentioned to him the sept. 8 2005 washington post article at Troops Escalate Urgency of Evacuation regarding a bar owner in the dry part of NO who had prepared well and had a generator, and an open bar: "But on Wednesday night, Guidos said, armed federal agents identifying themselves as U.S. marshals confiscated her weapons and ordered her and six friends to leave by noon Thursday. 'When you get 15 M-16s pointed at you and they line you up against the wall, it's kind of scary,' said Guidos, 55." He denied knowledge of this. I asked him to do whatever was in his power to keep this kind of thing from happening twice. The New Hampshire Revolution Is Now Televised http://RidleyReport.com