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ghost_stalker · Feb 9, 2006, 04:18 pm

If you could make a new amendment to the constitution what would it be??

thatoneguy00 · Feb 9, 2006, 05:17 pm

well that if your going to live here you must know english

tman_ndsu08 · Feb 9, 2006, 05:24 pm

Don't force people to pay taxes if they don't want to.

ghost_stalker · Feb 9, 2006, 09:33 pm

Id say something more along the lines of -the government cannot respect the power of one social group or make any laws respecting the morality or philosophy of a single group

Morgan_Freeman · Feb 9, 2006, 09:51 pm

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Id say something more along the lines of -the government cannot respect the power of one social group or make any laws respecting the morality or philosophy of a single group

Can you clarify that a little?

underbear1 · Feb 9, 2006, 10:13 pm

Same Sex individuals and same sex couples will be treated with full equality of any other American individual or couple.

tman_ndsu08 · Feb 10, 2006, 02:25 pm

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Same Sex individuals and same sex couples will be treated with full equality of any other American individual or couple.

Or, better yet, since marriage is nothing more than a religious ceremony, take the government entirely out of marriage.

Marriage should be controlled by the churches, who created the concept.

The Architect · Oct 4, 2006, 08:39 pm

All people coming for citizenship or visa must learn english, histroy of out country. I was at the Met in NYC and i asked a guy where the george washington painting was, he didnt know who george was. Immigrants come here and protest how Spanish should be taught as a mandatory second language which is just outragous. this is america speak english.

JohnMK · Oct 5, 2006, 12:09 am

Would that include capitalizing proper nouns, and proper deployment of commas and apostrophes? How about spelling? Recognition of hypocrisy? Refrainment from bone-headed generalization? Mandatory sobriety test upon sitting in front of a keyboard?

Clarence · Oct 5, 2006, 12:22 am

Actually. T-man's statement was his best I've ever read. id he get banned?

My opinion is leave the constitution alone until we get a more honest bunch in there and see if we can't take out the part with income tax. If that, even. I see the constitution as an artifact to be observed from behind glass and revered. If you let somebody open the case, anything could slide in there.

JohnMK · Oct 5, 2006, 12:49 am

I too would adopt a very cautious approach to tinkering with the Constitution. The most recent attempt at passing an Amendment, in fact, would have resulted in a codification of bigotry if it had been successful. Much like Prohibition, I suspect it would have been undone in a decade or two. It's fortunate the requirements are so strict in getting an Amendment through.

madprophet · Oct 5, 2006, 02:12 am

Underbear, we alraedy have that one, it's called the Fourteenth Amendment.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And Tman, in actuality, marriage was first a secular union. The christian church didn't get involved in marriage until the 9th century.

madprophet · Oct 5, 2006, 02:33 am

As for those dirty foreigners being forced to learn English and American history. Hmmm:

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"Among college seniors, less than half--47.9%--correctly concluded that "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal" was from the Declaration of Independence. More than half did not know that the Bill of Rights prohibits the governmental establishment of an official religion, and "55.4 percent could not recognize Yorktown as the battle that brought the American Revolution to an end" (more than one quarter believing that it was the Civil War battle of Gettysburg that had ended the Revolution)." -- Link

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"Only one in four Americans can name more than one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment [...]" -- Link

Count them off in your head, how many did you get?

Only one in a thousand got all five. One-tenth of a percent.

madprophet · Oct 5, 2006, 02:47 am

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Don't force people to pay taxes if they don't want to.

You know, maybe growing up poor gave me some warped sense of entitlement, but I kinda liked going to school as a kid. But that's just me. I also appreciated the food stamps. And the dental care. And I like the fact that my nephew is growing up to be a strong kid partly thanks to WIC. I think we need more of this type of thing.

Mia · Oct 5, 2006, 02:48 am

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If you could make a new amendment to the constitution what would it be??

To quit amending it.

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You know, maybe growing up poor gave me some warped sense of entitlement, but I kinda liked going to school as a kid. But that's just me. I also appreciated the food stamps. And the dental care. And I like the fact that my nephew is growing up to be a strong kid partly thanks to WIC. I think we need more of this type of thing.

An anarchist who wants more social programs?

madprophet · Oct 5, 2006, 03:07 am

Yes, I'm a real Anarchist -- also known, originally and in most of the rest of the world today, as a Libertarian-Socialist. I also live in the real world, where a lot of people aren't Anarchists, and so I work with other Progressives and Liberals, even if they don't advocate the eventual abolishment of the state and the capitalist structure.

Mia · Oct 5, 2006, 03:49 am

Then who will pay for schools and social programs?

madprophet · Oct 5, 2006, 04:05 am

Who would need to? No capitalism, no money. Money is a feature of authority, and there is no authority in Anarchy. If you're interested, I recommend you read the wiki page on Anarchism and the Anarchist FAQ.

brien · Oct 5, 2006, 10:47 am

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If you could make a new amendment to the constitution what would it be??

Be it resolved:

That all Representatives in the halls of Congress must be directly responsible to their electorate through referendum before voting in Congress so they vote the will of the majority of their electorate.

kubedawg · Oct 5, 2006, 04:45 pm

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Who would need to? No capitalism, no money. Money is a feature of authority, and there is no authority in Anarchy. If you're interested, I recommend you read the wiki page on Anarchism and the Anarchist FAQ.

Well I'm personally for anarcho in a lot of ways.

Anarcho-capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't want to end captiolism, just make it better.

And about an additional ammendment, taxes should be the same for the wealthy AND poor.

Otherwise, I'd like to see some changes in our school system as a whole that would require a standard that would invoke us to see that throwing money at something, doesn't make it fix itself.

Or having any foreigners no matter what their background be able to speak, read, and write basic English before being allowed into this country.

No border shall ever be set around the USA even when national security is at risk.

Feb 9, 2006, 04:18 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
ghost_stalker Igneous Magma Location: Aurora, Co Posts: 361	If you could make a new amendment to the constitution what would it be?? If you could make a new amendment to the constitution what would it be??

Oct 5, 2006, 02:12 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
madprophet Dedicated Anarchist Posts: 172	Underbear, we alraedy have that one, it's called the Fourteenth Amendment. "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." And Tman, in actuality, marriage was first a secular union. The christian church didn't get involved in marriage until the 9th century. "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Von Goethe

Oct 5, 2006, 03:07 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
madprophet Dedicated Anarchist Posts: 172	Yes, I'm a real Anarchist -- also known, originally and in most of the rest of the world today, as a Libertarian-Socialist. I also live in the real world, where a lot of people aren't Anarchists, and so I work with other Progressives and Liberals, even if they don't advocate the eventual abolishment of the state and the capitalist structure. "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Von Goethe

Oct 5, 2006, 03:49 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Then who will pay for schools and social programs? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Oct 5, 2006, 04:05 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
madprophet Dedicated Anarchist Posts: 172	Who would need to? No capitalism, no money. Money is a feature of authority, and there is no authority in Anarchy. If you're interested, I recommend you read the wiki page on Anarchism and the Anarchist FAQ. "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Von Goethe

Feb 9, 2006, 05:17 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
thatoneguy00 The DON Posts: 256	well that if your going to live here you must know english

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tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Don't force people to pay taxes if they don't want to.

Feb 9, 2006, 09:33 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
ghost_stalker Igneous Magma Location: Aurora, Co Posts: 361	Id say something more along the lines of -the government cannot respect the power of one social group or make any laws respecting the morality or philosophy of a single group

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underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Same Sex individuals and same sex couples will be treated with full equality of any other American individual or couple.

Oct 4, 2006, 08:39 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
The Architect Agnostic, Cynic Location: New York Posts: 285	All people coming for citizenship or visa must learn english, histroy of out country. I was at the Met in NYC and i asked a guy where the george washington painting was, he didnt know who george was. Immigrants come here and protest how Spanish should be taught as a mandatory second language which is just outragous. this is america speak english.

Oct 5, 2006, 12:09 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
JohnMK Laissez-Faire Location: Seattle Posts: 539	Would that include capitalizing proper nouns, and proper deployment of commas and apostrophes? How about spelling? Recognition of hypocrisy? Refrainment from bone-headed generalization? Mandatory sobriety test upon sitting in front of a keyboard?

Oct 5, 2006, 12:22 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Clarence pregnant with truth Posts: 2,272	Actually. T-man's statement was his best I've ever read. id he get banned? My opinion is leave the constitution alone until we get a more honest bunch in there and see if we can't take out the part with income tax. If that, even. I see the constitution as an artifact to be observed from behind glass and revered. If you let somebody open the case, anything could slide in there.

Oct 5, 2006, 12:49 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
JohnMK Laissez-Faire Location: Seattle Posts: 539	I too would adopt a very cautious approach to tinkering with the Constitution. The most recent attempt at passing an Amendment, in fact, would have resulted in a codification of bigotry if it had been successful. Much like Prohibition, I suspect it would have been undone in a decade or two. It's fortunate the requirements are so strict in getting an Amendment through.