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    As for those dirty foreigners being forced to learn English and American history. Hmmm:

    "Among college seniors, less than half--47.9%--correctly concluded that "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal" was from the Declaration of Independence. More than half did not know that the Bill of Rights prohibits the governmental establishment of an official religion, and "55.4 percent could not recognize Yorktown as the battle that brought the American Revolution to an end" (more than one quarter believing that it was the Civil War battle of Gettysburg that had ended the Revolution)." -- Link
    And:

    "Only one in four Americans can name more than one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment [...]" -- Link
    Count them off in your head, how many did you get?

    Only one in a thousand got all five. One-tenth of a percent.

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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08 View Post
    Don't force people to pay taxes if they don't want to.
    You know, maybe growing up poor gave me some warped sense of entitlement, but I kinda liked going to school as a kid. But that's just me. I also appreciated the food stamps. And the dental care. And I like the fact that my nephew is growing up to be a strong kid partly thanks to WIC. I think we need more of this type of thing.

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    Quote Quote by: ghost_stalker View Post
    If you could make a new amendment to the constitution what would it be??
    To quit amending it.

    Quote Quote by: madprophet View Post
    You know, maybe growing up poor gave me some warped sense of entitlement, but I kinda liked going to school as a kid. But that's just me. I also appreciated the food stamps. And the dental care. And I like the fact that my nephew is growing up to be a strong kid partly thanks to WIC. I think we need more of this type of thing.
    An anarchist who wants more social programs?

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    Yes, I'm a real Anarchist -- also known, originally and in most of the rest of the world today, as a Libertarian-Socialist. I also live in the real world, where a lot of people aren't Anarchists, and so I work with other Progressives and Liberals, even if they don't advocate the eventual abolishment of the state and the capitalist structure.

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    Then who will pay for schools and social programs?

    "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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    Who would need to? No capitalism, no money. Money is a feature of authority, and there is no authority in Anarchy. If you're interested, I recommend you read the wiki page on Anarchism and the Anarchist FAQ.

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    Quote Quote by: ghost_stalker View Post
    If you could make a new amendment to the constitution what would it be??
    Be it resolved:

    That all Representatives in the halls of Congress must be directly responsible to their electorate through referendum before voting in Congress so they vote the will of the majority of their electorate.

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    Quote Quote by: madprophet View Post
    Who would need to? No capitalism, no money. Money is a feature of authority, and there is no authority in Anarchy. If you're interested, I recommend you read the wiki page on Anarchism and the Anarchist FAQ.
    Well I'm personally for anarcho in a lot of ways.

    Anarcho-capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I don't want to end captiolism, just make it better.

    And about an additional ammendment, taxes should be the same for the wealthy AND poor.

    Otherwise, I'd like to see some changes in our school system as a whole that would require a standard that would invoke us to see that throwing money at something, doesn't make it fix itself.

    Or having any foreigners no matter what their background be able to speak, read, and write basic English before being allowed into this country.

    No border shall ever be set around the USA even when national security is at risk.

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    I'd like to see something making a certain level of education mandatory. The comments people have made about immigrants being able to read, write, and speak English? I'd like to see the same requirement applied to all citizens, first. I'd like to see all citizens go through self-defense classes. I'd like to see all citizens go through parenting and sex ed classes. I'd like to see all citizens forced to travel, either around the US in different areas, or around the world as much as possible, to experience how other people live so that we could broaden our tiny little horizons and stop thinking everyone on Earth is our enemy. I'd like to see everyone qualified in CPR and first aid, and able to swim.

    But I have no idea how to word that into an amendment, since I would not want to see citizens stripped of rights because they didn't meet my or any other arbitrary standard. So I'll just say I'd eliminate the 2nd Amendment.

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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08 View Post
    Or, better yet, since marriage is nothing more than a religious ceremony, take the government entirely out of marriage.
    But of course, marriage is a lot more than a religious ceremony. You get a lot of legal rights and obligations from marriage. The real answer should be, take marriage away from religion, the've only managed to screw it up.

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    I'd like to see something making a certain level of education mandatory.
    There already is. See the SCOTUS case Wisconsin v. Yoder.
    The comments people have made about immigrants being able to read, write, and speak English?
    They are racist, hypocritical, and just plain dumb. Unless you are 100% of British descent, the odds that your forefathers could have gotten here (and thus your existence) under this requirement are slim to none.
    I'd like to see the same requirement applied to all citizens, first. I'd like to see all citizens go through self-defense classes. I'd like to see all citizens go through parenting and sex ed classes.
    Well, much like other educational initiatives, you can lead a horse to water...

    I'd like to see all citizens forced to travel, either around the US in different areas, or around the world as much as possible, to experience how other people live so that we could broaden our tiny little horizons and stop thinking everyone on Earth is our enemy.
    FORCED to travel?
    1) How would you accomplish this? Aside from the massive taxation needed to pay for it, are you going to handcuff people and throw them on planes?
    2) What makes you think travel would accomplish what you say? Everywhere I have traveled to (including internationally) has pretty much confirmed what I already thought. You can't make people interact with others.

    Face it, that sentiment is merely wishful thinking on your part.

    I'd like to see everyone qualified in CPR and first aid, and able to swim.
    ehh... questionable value. The chances you'll ever have to use any of these for livesaving are miniscule. Good to know, yes. Required? not so much.
    But I have no idea how to word that into an amendment, since I would not want to see citizens stripped of rights because they didn't meet my or any other arbitrary standard. So I'll just say I'd eliminate the 2nd Amendment.
    Let me guess... Because inanimate objects are evil and kill people? :rolleyes:

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    read, write, and speak English? Why is that so much to ask? If I were to go to another country, it'd be in my best interest to learn that specific country's language. It's not racist unless you put a face to the person you allow into the USA. Are you talking about Mexico? I'm talking about anyone world-wide who'd like to gain citizenship here... Hypocritical? Just because one doesn't use proper grammar in every sentence they write or say does not make one hypocritical. You still get the message, even if you have to decypher their post or ask them to repeat themselves.

    And we base our thinking on something that happened a couple hundred years ago. That's just dumb, why? Because things change over time. I'm all for people coming here to the USA, as I'd like to visit a lot of other countries at some point in time, and hey, maybe even find a nice home in Japan somewhere.

    Having people read, write, and talk in basic English would not be a bad thing to incorporate. Look at it this way, racism is bound to happen anywhere in the world, but if we do this, then once a person has qualified by learning our basic language here, less people would be able to judge them for their actions. Sure, people still have cultural backgrounds, but an understanding of the english language and maybe even our history, too, would help the people wanting to come here for whatever reason. Benefits can only come of something like this.

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