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| Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283 | I'd like to see something making a certain level of education mandatory. The comments people have made about immigrants being able to read, write, and speak English? I'd like to see the same requirement applied to all citizens, first. I'd like to see all citizens go through self-defense classes. I'd like to see all citizens go through parenting and sex ed classes. I'd like to see all citizens forced to travel, either around the US in different areas, or around the world as much as possible, to experience how other people live so that we could broaden our tiny little horizons and stop thinking everyone on Earth is our enemy. I'd like to see everyone qualified in CPR and first aid, and able to swim. But I have no idea how to word that into an amendment, since I would not want to see citizens stripped of rights because they didn't meet my or any other arbitrary standard. So I'll just say I'd eliminate the 2nd Amendment. ![]() "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy." |
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| Hot Lava Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,265 | But of course, marriage is a lot more than a religious ceremony. You get a lot of legal rights and obligations from marriage. The real answer should be, take marriage away from religion, the've only managed to screw it up. Last edited by Matt W; Oct 8, 2006 at 09:41 am. |
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1) How would you accomplish this? Aside from the massive taxation needed to pay for it, are you going to handcuff people and throw them on planes? 2) What makes you think travel would accomplish what you say? Everywhere I have traveled to (including internationally) has pretty much confirmed what I already thought. You can't make people interact with others. Face it, that sentiment is merely wishful thinking on your part. Quote:
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| Magma Posts: 1,035 | read, write, and speak English? Why is that so much to ask? If I were to go to another country, it'd be in my best interest to learn that specific country's language. It's not racist unless you put a face to the person you allow into the USA. Are you talking about Mexico? I'm talking about anyone world-wide who'd like to gain citizenship here... Hypocritical? Just because one doesn't use proper grammar in every sentence they write or say does not make one hypocritical. You still get the message, even if you have to decypher their post or ask them to repeat themselves. And we base our thinking on something that happened a couple hundred years ago. That's just dumb, why? Because things change over time. I'm all for people coming here to the USA, as I'd like to visit a lot of other countries at some point in time, and hey, maybe even find a nice home in Japan somewhere. Having people read, write, and talk in basic English would not be a bad thing to incorporate. Look at it this way, racism is bound to happen anywhere in the world, but if we do this, then once a person has qualified by learning our basic language here, less people would be able to judge them for their actions. Sure, people still have cultural backgrounds, but an understanding of the english language and maybe even our history, too, would help the people wanting to come here for whatever reason. Benefits can only come of something like this. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power. |
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| Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283 | Quote:
Damn, you take this crap seriously. As I said, I see no way to force people to meet my admittedly arbitrary standard, and so no, I didn't consider the logistics of the law I was proposing, including taxation and the enforcement of my travel clause. I was merely describing a direction I would like to see society go in, because I personally see education as important, and I would like to see people pursue knowledge both in the classroom and through personal experience -- hence the idea of mandatory travel. And of course that is wishful thinking on my part -- do you seriously think I'm trying to start my grass roots campaign to amend the Constitution with a five-minute post on this forum? My comment about the second amendment was flippant, as I showed with the smiley; there's no way on God's green earth I'm getting into what I hereby label as the Stupidest Debate In The World: namely, whether it is guns that kill people or people that kill people. You're for the 2nd Amendment, I'm against it; let's leave it at that. "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy." | |
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| Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283 | Quote:
"Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy." | |
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| Magma Posts: 1,035 | A lot of people do take this debate forum seriously, and it's often hard to decypher sarcasm unless specified in some fashion. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power. |
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| Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283 | Quote:
I was being sarcastic when I said I would ban Tivodan for being stinky and dumb; he is emphatically not dumb, and I've never met him so can't speak to his stinkiness. If offense was taken, I apologize. "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy." | |
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| Magma Posts: 1,035 | Quote:
Anywho, it is important, but seeing English is the toughest language to learn in the world, I think it's important that our new-to-be citizens get a head start. And if someone can't speak a lick of English if I'm supposed to be serving them, how am I supposed to know what they want? And vice versa, if it's an employee who can't speak English fluently, how am I supposed to trust they get my order correct? And I'm not going to another place that's 5 miles out of my way. I'm already @ the place I want to get what I need. Why should the customer be punished(eg, going somewhere else) for the employee who cannot speak English? It would make it a lot better if we had a system like that. But using a food restaurant as an example is the thing you probably have to deal with most often, or most common. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power. | |
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | My ammendment: Non-human animals will not be the target for exploitation on the grounds and reasons of and for pleasure, entertainment, military or medical or scientific purposes and that our relations with them will involve the principle of equal consideration of interests. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein |
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| Magma Posts: 1,035 | So telling my dog to say sit, or roll over, or fetch, or anything else, would be against the law? Riiiight.. Medical and scientific purposes involve helping us find out how to heal animals better, even if it means killing one. This also has beneficial purposes for human life. What about seeing eye dogs? Will that be banned as well, under the medical documentation part of it? I guess no more animals in movies too. Wow, you just seem to suck the life outa everything, don't ya? "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power. |
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| Hot Lava Posts: 925 | No Person shall be held, arrested, tried, or indichted for any offence for which there is not a discrete, individual, and Human victim, nor shall any fine, fee, or tax be levied upon any but the same. Furthermore, if any Person shall be arrested, the Magistrate must issue a Warrant for same, exception being granted only in cases wherein the arresting authority witnesses the Crime taking place. The Magistrate's Warrant must be based upon the sworn testimony of witnesses, who must be Persons not affiliated with, nor Officers of, the Court. Furthermore, the Magistrate's Warrant must show in what way or ways a Person or group of People has been physically or financially harmed by the Person who is to be arrested. Last edited by The Dunedan; Oct 10, 2006 at 11:29 am. |
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| BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217 | @Dunedan I like your amendment right up to the part where you say there needs to be sworn testimony from three witnesses. You've pretty much just effed over most rape victims, assault victims, etc. Bascially any crime with only one or two witnesses, and crimes where there is psychological harm. |
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | Quote:
"FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |
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| Iceberg Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,703 | Quote:
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Brien the Iceberg If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. M.T. | ||
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| Hot Lava Posts: 925 | I edited the Amendment to eliminate the 3-witness rule. I had walked away for a moment in the process of re-writing it and forgot, on my return, to remove that stipulation. There's also a clause which deals with financial crimes like embezzlement or other sorts of fraud. |
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| Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283 | Quote:
No, 230 years of tradition and ideology and philosophy, and propaganda and anachronism and paranoia, do not carry a lot of wieght with me against what I consider to be modern reality. I would keep the First Amendment because I think it is still useful and valuable; I do not think the 2nd Amendment is. But I know you and I (and most other people on here) simply disagree about that, so I won't try to argue for it. Feel free to consider me wrong. Quote:
"Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy." | ||
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