Evolution and Creationism in the school system

[ShOuLdEr]

I myself they both should be breifly mentioned, not talked about in depth and the teacher should have the class talk to thier parents about it. Or it should not be mentioned at all...i don't think one should be mentioned without the other though...neither can be proven without a doubt.

what are your thoughts? i'm sure its been talked about before but i couldn't find a thread

[SoccerfreakAB2]

I myself they both should be breifly mentioned, not talked about in depth and the teacher should have the class talk to thier parents about it. Or it should not be mentioned at all...i don't think one should be mentioned without the other though...neither can be proven without a doubt.

what are your thoughts? i'm sure its been talked about before but i couldn't find a thread

If we mention one idea of creationism, we subquently mention all supernatural creation theories since they are all just as valid. That numbers in the thousands. Shitty idea.

[Jack]

neither can be proven without a doubt.

The difference is that science doesn't try to prove evolution without a doubt whereas ID suggests an absolute answer. Discussing evolution should encourage further questioning and inquiry. ID says, "Here's the answer. No further questions."

[rez]

.i don't think one should be mentioned without the other though...neither can be proven without a doubt.

How many doubts does evolution have and how many doubts does creationism have?

which out weighs the other in the doubt category?

what are your thoughts? i'm sure its been talked about before but i couldn't find a thread

Creationists have been trying to spread their profound ignorance about evolution all over this message board. There is a sticky in the science forum and I assure you there is a thread not even a second page back in the philosophy forum.

[Sonart]

I myself they both should be breifly mentioned, not talked about in depth and the teacher should have the class talk to thier parents about it. Or it should not be mentioned at all...i don't think one should be mentioned without the other though...neither can be proven without a doubt.

I'm afraid I couldn't disagree more.

Evolution is the bedrock foundation of modern biological science. While theories regarding the exact processes remain debated, even among paleontologists, the reality of evolution is beyond question among the vast majority of legitimate scientists. This overwhelming acceptance of evolution is simply a fact, ShOuLdEr, which no amount of spin from creationists can alter.

Intelligent Design, on the other hand, is not science at all... it's the relinquishing of science to religion, simply because science doesn't yet have all the answers. If parents want to talk about ID to their kids at home, by all means. But the only place it should be taught in public schools is as part of discussions on current events in social studies.

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[rez]

Intelligent Design, on the other hand, is not science at all... it's the relinquishing of science to religion, simply because science doesn't yet have all the answers. If parents want to talk about ID to their kids at home, by all means. But the only place it should be taught in public schools is as part of discussions on current events in social studies.

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I was reading a physics professors interpertation on ID and he brought up a point a lot of us rational people don't bring up!


There is nothing intelligent about an random asteroid on course to hit earth, ultimately whiping out mankind.


add that one in your books guys, I am sure another creationist/ID thread will pop up soon.

[Sonart]

Indeed, rez.

Or closer to home, what's intelligent about something like Hurricane Katrina, or the Pakistan earthquake?

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[Jack]

Don't forget nipples on guys. :) I'm still waiting for an explanation of that one (from someone with at least a high school level of education.)

[ShOuLdEr]

I'm afraid I couldn't disagree more.

Evolution is the bedrock foundation of modern biological science. While theories regarding the exact processes remain debated, even among paleontologists, the reality of evolution is beyond question among the vast majority of legitimate scientists. This overwhelming acceptance of evolution is simply a fact, ShOuLdEr, which no amount of spin from creationists can alter.

Intelligent Design, on the other hand, is not science at all... it's the relinquishing of science to religion, simply because science doesn't yet have all the answers. If parents want to talk about ID to their kids at home, by all means. But the only place it should be taught in public schools is as part of discussions on current events in social studies.

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I personally am agnostic and i look at both sides with skepticism. I totally agree that creationism is not science, and that is my main problem about where they want to put it, they should incorporate a philosophy class to jr high or high school and teach it there. I understand teaching ID can open up so many doors of possibilty, and if they mention it they should mention the flying spaghetti monster too...http://www.venganza.org/. Its just that neither side can win until one side is either completley disproved, When you start to think of a higher power, nothing is ridicilous.

If intelligent design IS TRUE i look at it like this: have you ever started one of those 1000 piece puzzles and got pretty far into it and then just lost interest? The puzzle sits there and gets neglected and starts falling apart....stuff might get set on it or drop on it just tearing it apart, and eventually you might clean it up and put it back in its box....if there is intelligent design then thats what happened to us. God got bored with the puzzle a couple thousand years ago and let his kid play with it, but there were no warning lables on the puzzle and it killed him lollolol....the random astroids are just stuff getting set on the puzzle because it's been forgotten about.

[franzkafkafront]

I myself they both should be breifly mentioned, not talked about in depth and the teacher should have the class talk to thier parents about it. Or it should not be mentioned at all...i don't think one should be mentioned without the other though...neither can be proven without a doubt.

what are your thoughts? i'm sure its been talked about before but i couldn't find a thread

Well evolution is a scientific theory, I.D is not (if you think it is please show me some emperical evidence for it) So it should be thought in the science class.
Id or creationism can be taught in relgious studies along with all the other relgious theories about how the world came about.

[ShOuLdEr]

Well evolution is a scientific theory, I.D is not (if you think it is please show me some emperical evidence for it) So it should be thought in the science class.
Id or creationism can be taught in relgious studies along with all the other relgious theories about how the world came about.

i don't disagree about ID not being science..its got to be confusing to kids though if in one class they get taught that we came from monkies and in thier next hour class (if it was split up that is) like philosophy or social studies they are told that god might have played a part in such things. When i was in school (i'm 24 and live in illinois) evolution was briefly mentioned in high school biology, and maybe briefly mentioned a couple times before that, but never talked about in depth...i don't think that affected how i turned out, so it shouldn't be such a huge issue...funny how we make such a big deal about things like this and there are children that aren't even recieving an education, and starving to death in our own country.

Mind you that many of my opinions on this issue are new, i have just recently started seriously looking at this debate, so my opinions are still being molded, right now i stand pretty neutral..both sides have arguments that seem to void out the others arguments, though admittedly ID has a much weaker support base...look at it this way though, atleast the creationists have offered ID, it almost seems like they are trying to come to a happy medium... for the most part religion just denied evolution completley.

[RickSp]

I myself they both should be breifly mentioned, not talked about in depth and the teacher should have the class talk to thier parents about it. Or it should not be mentioned at all...i don't think one should be mentioned without the other though...neither can be proven without a doubt.

what are your thoughts? i'm sure its been talked about before but i couldn't find a thread

I want my sons' to learn science in their science classes. Creationism is religion and not science. Please keep your religion out of science class, unless you want me demanding that science be taught in Sunday school.