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The Devil · Oct 21, 2003, 10:19 am

Prostitution should be legal for one reason: It's none of the government's business. If someone wants to exchange sex for money, it's their goddamn choice.

indierockboy · Oct 21, 2003, 11:04 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,)
$100.00? I am sure most make more than that. Where are you getting your figures?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

that is the average payment a male star in a porno movie makes. female stars make more, on average (because they are more often the "lead" character). my figures are from a behind-the-scenes documentary i watched about a year ago.

there are many major porn stars, such as jenna jamieson, who make more. but porn movies don't make the "actors" very much money. however, working for a subscription website that provides exclusive content can be a rather lucrative venture.

Waychel · Oct 21, 2003, 11:31 am

In theory, having the government legalize and then regulate prostitution would make it safer. But you would have to routinely do testing upon prostitutes to ensure that they had not contracted any diseases every week for such safety measures to be effective. Medical bills such as those would add up considerably for every individual prostitute. Could you imagine the health plans and the costs of workers compensation alone that would follow a practice such as that? The altogether costs and claims would be atranomical.

RebelWithanAK · Oct 21, 2003, 11:46 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel,)
In theory, having the government legalize and then regulate prostitution would make it safer. But you would have to routinely do testing upon prostitutes to ensure that they had not contracted any diseases every week for such safety measures to be effective. Medical bills such as those would add up considerably for every individual prostitute. Could you imagine the health plans and the costs of workers compensation alone that would follow a practice such as that? The altogether costs and claims would be atranomical.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

*gasp* You mean we would have to have people regularly tested for STDs in our local clinics and hospitals? We should be doing that already!

The Devil · Oct 21, 2003, 02:49 pm

When you become a prostitute or pay one, you're knowingly taking the risk of getting an STD. Why do we need government regulation? People can deal with these problems themselves.

G. Adams · Oct 21, 2003, 03:15 pm

Agreed. Who would be stupid enough to sleep with a prostitute that didn't come from a reputable brothel that did such things as standard and let you check, and without wearing protection anyway?

RebelWithanAK · Oct 21, 2003, 04:12 pm

Well, when reputable brothels are outlawed, then what do you do?

eXploiTeD · Oct 21, 2003, 04:59 pm

A promising compromise could well be to divide responsibility for health checks between the prostitutes and their customers. The prostitutes would be required to have a checkup every few months, while the customer would have to provide proof no older than one year that he/she is free of all STDs and infectious diseases. Coupled with another regulation making the use of condoms necessary in brothels, etc., I think the process could become relatively safe.

This would be by no means a perfect system, of course, but what is?

G. Adams · Oct 21, 2003, 07:53 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,)
Well, when reputable brothels are outlawed, then what do you do?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Then you pull an essex girl at two in the morning with low self esteem at a cheap club, but you make sure your wearing a condom. In fact, you only have to pay for 3-4 drinks, taxi and condoms, its a lot cheaper than a prostitute.

Of course you could just go on a load of dates, and i'm sure you'll find some lass that you get on really well with enough to start a real relationship with.

Waychel · Oct 22, 2003, 01:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,)
*gasp* You mean we would have to have people regularly tested for STDs in our local clinics and hospitals? We should be doing that already!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

We do, but we can't exactly force people to visit their doctor either. If prostitution was a profession, we could make doctor visits mandatory in order to operate such a business - but then, my original argument once again becomes relevant.

Also, for a brothel to operate safely you would need to have mandatory and routine medical check-ups. As it is, most call-girl services require their women to wear condoms and they choose to wear them regardless for obvious reasons. But a condom is not 100% effective against fighting STDs. Using a condom reduces risk, but the reason STDs continue to spread so rampantly is because secretions from the vagina (when a girl gets "wet") transmit diseases, and the condom only protects the penis afterall. Likewise, condoms break.

Safety would be too expensive to improve upon and insure, and since that is more or less the only incentive here I fail to see any truly positive advantages. Also, I do not believe it would get hookers off the streets because there would always be girls operating on their own. Most street walkers are street walkers because they're too contrary to hold a steady job - what would make working at a brothel any different?

dannyp · Oct 26, 2003, 07:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
Who would be stupid enough to sleep with a prostitute that didn't come from a reputable brothel [ ... ] <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

hahaha almost everyone that sleeps with prostitutes.

uitmokum · Oct 27, 2003, 09:19 am

Here in Holland it's legal for a long time.

KristenW18 · Nov 13, 2006, 12:34 am

Legalizing prostitution would only lead to more prostitutes being on our streets. I agree that it is a persons choice to do what they want with their body, but i also agree that the government has a right to interfere when it may have an effect on the community. Prostitution, legal or not, leads to the spread of diseases that are already rapidly spreading. Not saying that all prostitutes have a disease, but being in such a premiscuous line of industry, you must admit there is a great chance that most prostitutes are not completely clean. Why would you vote to legalize something that could one day catch up to you, even if you dont sleep with them, someone you've slept with/or may sleep with could have. On a different note, prostitution is going to occur whether its legal or not, but why make it legal so that it can happen more often and risk the percentage of disease climbing even higher than it already is?

Beautiful · Nov 13, 2006, 12:47 am

There is no reason why prostitution should be legalize. That is like the fifth amendment; freedom to prostitute, fredom to get STDS and take it home to your wife or significant other. Girls stop making excuses and stop looking for the easy way out. Go to school, get a GED or Bachelor's degree ("A mind is a terrible thing to waste"). Dont say you can't. if you put your mind to it and believe that you can then go for it. Dont allow these men to treat you as low class. We deserve better than that. Prostitution is not the easy way out.

Ivor Henry · Nov 13, 2006, 01:06 am

The reason why i believe that prostitution be made legal is because of the fact that the government doesn't and shouldn't controll what you do with your body.Comming where I'm from (Miami FL) there are many people that have to struggle to eat, survive, and provide for themselve and love ones. most of them are fortunet to look good plus have a body and therefore use it to prostitute themself inorder to get paid. to add to this what is an escort service anyways, isn't that consider to be prostitution, but when you look at it, its still legal, so i guess prostitution is already leagal.

kathy_072121 · Nov 13, 2006, 10:34 am

I believe that the only reason why we have so many people doing illegal things is because everything is prohibited. I'm not saying prostitution should be legal though. Prostitution should be extremely illegal because i think that our AIDS rate would rise. People would start having sex with these nasty girls and guys and then catch something. Plus it will make our community look worst.

JohnMK · Nov 13, 2006, 10:50 am

Fembots?

brien · Nov 13, 2006, 11:04 am

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Quote by: KristenW18

Legalizing prostitution would only lead to more prostitutes being on our streets. I agree that it is a persons choice to do what they want with their body, but i also agree that the government has a right to interfere when it may have an effect on the community. Prostitution, legal or not, leads to the spread of diseases that are already rapidly spreading. Not saying that all prostitutes have a disease, but being in such a premiscuous line of industry, you must admit there is a great chance that most prostitutes are not completely clean. Why would you vote to legalize something that could one day catch up to you, even if you dont sleep with them, someone you've slept with/or may sleep with could have. On a different note, prostitution is going to occur whether its legal or not, but why make it legal so that it can happen more often and risk the percentage of disease climbing even higher than it already is?

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Prostitution, legal or not, leads to the spread of diseases that are already rapidly spreading. Not saying that all prostitutes have a disease, but being in such a premiscuous line of industry, you must admit there is a great chance that most prostitutes are not completely clean.

Do you have any statistics to back this up?

Here is some information based in fact, rather than in emotion.

ESPU CA Erotic Service Providers Untion

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November 17, 2005

Mandatory Testing: The Fear That Feeds The Falsehood, by Veronica Monet
Any discussion of legalizing or decriminalizing prostitution in the United States, inevitably leads to the controversy surrounding mandatory testing of prostitutes for STIs and HIV. Although the sex worker's rights organization, SWOP-USA (Sex Workers Outreach Project) is launching a tri-city (San Francisco, Berkeley and Oakland, California) effort to decriminalize, prostitution is currently illegal in the United States, with the exception of a few licensed brothels in rural counties of the state of Nevada,.

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It matters little that scientific data do NOT support the common belief that sex workers are major contributors of sexually transmitted infections in the USA. The Centers for Disease Control have conducted several tests for HIV seropositivity in prostitutes and consistently conclude "risk factors for AIDS in female prostitutes may be similar to those in other women living in these [tested] geographic areas." (3) In other words, although the US government would love to prove otherwise, US prostitutes spread no more disease than US housewives and college girls. Some evidence even supports the contention that the presence of prostitutes DECREASES the incidence of STIs as Rita Brock and Susan Thistlethwaite point out in their book, Casting Stones: â€œWhen the Chicken Ranch, the famous Texas brothel, was closed, the number of gonorrhea cases in the general population rose substantially. Venereal disease also rose substantially when brothels were closed from 1917 to 1920. U.S Department of Public Health statistics have been consistently reporting that only 5 percent of sexually transmitted disease in the United States is related to prostitution, compared to 30 to 35 percent that is transmitted among sexually active teenagers. . . . The National Research Council notes: 'Many people fear that prostitutes (who by definition have multiple sex partners) will not adopt safer sex practices with their clients and will therefore be the conduit through which HIV infection will spread to the heterosexual population. Yet existing data on prostitutes do not support this concern

So you see, scientific data proves that prostitutes who particpate in the business where their services are legal, tend to be no more infected than other women be they college girls or housewives.

brien · Nov 13, 2006, 11:07 am

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Quote by: Beautiful

There is no reason why prostitution should be legalize. That is like the fifth amendment; freedom to prostitute, fredom to get STDS and take it home to your wife or significant other. Girls stop making excuses and stop looking for the easy way out. Go to school, get a GED or Bachelor's degree ("A mind is a terrible thing to waste"). Dont say you can't. if you put your mind to it and believe that you can then go for it. Dont allow these men to treat you as low class. We deserve better than that. Prostitution is not the easy way out.

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There is no reason why prostitution should be legalize. That is like the fifth amendment; freedom to prostitute, fredom to get STDS and take it home to your wife or significant other

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Your baseless emotional ideas aside, please see the above post #38 to sort out fact from fantasy. It may help you attach some reality to your thinking.

brien · Nov 13, 2006, 11:11 am

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Quote by: kathy_072121

I believe that the only reason why we have so many people doing illegal things is because everything is prohibited. I'm not saying prostitution should be legal though. Prostitution should be extremely illegal because i think that our AIDS rate would rise. People would start having sex with these nasty girls and guys and then catch something. Plus it will make our community look worst.

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Prostitution should be extremely illegal because i think that our AIDS rate would rise. People would start having sex with these nasty girls and guys and then catch something. Plus it will make our community look worst.

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I yi yi....Extremely illegal????? I didn't know we had extremes in illegality.

You also should read post # 38 to get a little education in the reality of your emotional opinion..

I may have found another statement for the "Most absurd" thread:

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Prostitution should be extremely illegal because i think that our AIDS rate would rise

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Oct 21, 2003, 11:04 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
indierockboy Molten Ash Location: ontario canada Posts: 104	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,) $100.00? I am sure most make more than that. Where are you getting your figures?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> that is the average payment a male star in a porno movie makes. female stars make more, on average (because they are more often the "lead" character). my figures are from a behind-the-scenes documentary i watched about a year ago. there are many major porn stars, such as jenna jamieson, who make more. but porn movies don't make the "actors" very much money. however, working for a subscription website that provides exclusive content can be a rather lucrative venture. http://www.autophobic.net/tmesis/sig.gif

Oct 21, 2003, 11:31 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	In theory, having the government legalize and then regulate prostitution would make it safer. But you would have to routinely do testing upon prostitutes to ensure that they had not contracted any diseases every week for such safety measures to be effective. Medical bills such as those would add up considerably for every individual prostitute. Could you imagine the health plans and the costs of workers compensation alone that would follow a practice such as that? The altogether costs and claims would be atranomical. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Oct 21, 2003, 11:46 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel,) In theory, having the government legalize and then regulate prostitution would make it safer. But you would have to routinely do testing upon prostitutes to ensure that they had not contracted any diseases every week for such safety measures to be effective. Medical bills such as those would add up considerably for every individual prostitute. Could you imagine the health plans and the costs of workers compensation alone that would follow a practice such as that? The altogether costs and claims would be atranomical.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> gasp You mean we would have to have people regularly tested for STDs in our local clinics and hospitals? We should be doing that already! . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 21, 2003, 03:15 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Agreed. Who would be stupid enough to sleep with a prostitute that didn't come from a reputable brothel that did such things as standard and let you check, and without wearing protection anyway? Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 21, 2003, 04:12 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Well, when reputable brothels are outlawed, then what do you do? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 21, 2003, 10:19 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
The Devil Molten Ash Location: Canada Posts: 55	Prostitution should be legal for one reason: It's none of the government's business. If someone wants to exchange sex for money, it's their goddamn choice.

Oct 21, 2003, 02:49 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
The Devil Molten Ash Location: Canada Posts: 55	When you become a prostitute or pay one, you're knowingly taking the risk of getting an STD. Why do we need government regulation? People can deal with these problems themselves.

Oct 21, 2003, 04:59 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
eXploiTeD Molten Ash Posts: 32	A promising compromise could well be to divide responsibility for health checks between the prostitutes and their customers. The prostitutes would be required to have a checkup every few months, while the customer would have to provide proof no older than one year that he/she is free of all STDs and infectious diseases. Coupled with another regulation making the use of condoms necessary in brothels, etc., I think the process could become relatively safe. This would be by no means a perfect system, of course, but what is?

Oct 21, 2003, 07:53 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,) Well, when reputable brothels are outlawed, then what do you do?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Then you pull an essex girl at two in the morning with low self esteem at a cheap club, but you make sure your wearing a condom. In fact, you only have to pay for 3-4 drinks, taxi and condoms, its a lot cheaper than a prostitute. Of course you could just go on a load of dates, and i'm sure you'll find some lass that you get on really well with enough to start a real relationship with. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 22, 2003, 01:58 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,) gasp You mean we would have to have people regularly tested for STDs in our local clinics and hospitals? We should be doing that already!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> We do, but we can't exactly force people to visit their doctor either. If prostitution was a profession, we could make doctor visits mandatory in order to operate such a business - but then, my original argument once again becomes relevant. Also, for a brothel to operate safely you would need to have mandatory and routine medical check-ups. As it is, most call-girl services require their women to wear condoms and they choose to wear them regardless for obvious reasons. But a condom is not 100% effective against fighting STDs. Using a condom reduces risk, but the reason STDs continue to spread so rampantly is because secretions from the vagina (when a girl gets "wet") transmit diseases, and the condom only protects the penis afterall. Likewise, condoms break. Safety would be too expensive to improve upon and insure, and since that is more or less the only incentive here I fail to see any truly positive advantages. Also, I do not believe it would get hookers off the streets because there would always be girls operating on their own. Most street walkers are street walkers because they're too contrary to hold a steady job - what would make working at a brothel any different? Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Oct 26, 2003, 07:21 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
dannyp projects himself Posts: 130	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) Who would be stupid enough to sleep with a prostitute that didn't come from a reputable brothel [ ... ] <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> hahaha almost everyone that sleeps with prostitutes. projectdp.com :: thinktankforums.com

Oct 27, 2003, 09:19 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
uitmokum Sedimentary Rock Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 17	Here in Holland it's legal for a long time. ll Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry ll T-boat Amsterdam ll

Nov 13, 2006, 12:34 am	#33 (permalink) (top)
KristenW18 [Kristen] =o) Posts: 4	Legalizing prostitution would only lead to more prostitutes being on our streets. I agree that it is a persons choice to do what they want with their body, but i also agree that the government has a right to interfere when it may have an effect on the community. Prostitution, legal or not, leads to the spread of diseases that are already rapidly spreading. Not saying that all prostitutes have a disease, but being in such a premiscuous line of industry, you must admit there is a great chance that most prostitutes are not completely clean. Why would you vote to legalize something that could one day catch up to you, even if you dont sleep with them, someone you've slept with/or may sleep with could have. On a different note, prostitution is going to occur whether its legal or not, but why make it legal so that it can happen more often and risk the percentage of disease climbing even higher than it already is?

Nov 13, 2006, 12:47 am	#34 (permalink) (top)
Beautiful Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	There is no reason why prostitution should be legalize. That is like the fifth amendment; freedom to prostitute, fredom to get STDS and take it home to your wife or significant other. Girls stop making excuses and stop looking for the easy way out. Go to school, get a GED or Bachelor's degree ("A mind is a terrible thing to waste"). Dont say you can't. if you put your mind to it and believe that you can then go for it. Dont allow these men to treat you as low class. We deserve better than that. Prostitution is not the easy way out.

Nov 13, 2006, 01:06 am	#35 (permalink) (top)
Ivor Henry Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	The reason why i believe that prostitution be made legal is because of the fact that the government doesn't and shouldn't controll what you do with your body.Comming where I'm from (Miami FL) there are many people that have to struggle to eat, survive, and provide for themselve and love ones. most of them are fortunet to look good plus have a body and therefore use it to prostitute themself inorder to get paid. to add to this what is an escort service anyways, isn't that consider to be prostitution, but when you look at it, its still legal, so i guess prostitution is already leagal.

Nov 13, 2006, 10:34 am	#36 (permalink) (top)
kathy_072121 me. Posts: 5	I believe that the only reason why we have so many people doing illegal things is because everything is prohibited. I'm not saying prostitution should be legal though. Prostitution should be extremely illegal because i think that our AIDS rate would rise. People would start having sex with these nasty girls and guys and then catch something. Plus it will make our community look worst.

Nov 13, 2006, 10:50 am	#37 (permalink) (top)
JohnMK Laissez-Faire Location: Seattle Posts: 539	Fembots? "I can't listen to that much Wagner. I start getting the urge to conquer Poland." - Woody Allen