Absolute Zero Reasons For Men To Marry?

[austin2011]

If anyone can come up with an actual reason why any man should get married in the U.S. nowadays, I would certainly like to hear it. I am college educated, have a good job, and have all my life been regarded as reasonably good looking. But I have finally come to the realization that as a man here in the U.S., there simply isn't any reason left to marry or even live with a woman. So many people tell me I'm "wrong.." that it has only been my experience- riiiight. Everyone I know except for one friend is divorced, and the way his wife hits on me when he's not around makes me wonder how much time even they have left. You may know "happily" married couples or be "happily" married yourself..... today... but the average marriage only lasts seven years, and then women file the vast majority of divorces- the "no fault" divorce. There is a serious problem here, and it is with women. They are the problem. The plague of Feminism will be regarded in history books in the future as one of the worst and stupidest social "movements" of all time. My god, it's like something out of the Old Testament from the bible.
Men haven't changed at all- we're still the same as we were 100 years age. I've been married before, it was horrible- constantly being hen-pecked, manipulated, legally threatened... I had children and that was horrible as well- nothing but misery- I finally have a decent relationship with my daughter, but only because she's 21 now- far outside the system and the nightmare of her mother. Unless they're family, (even then be careful) women in America now are not only worthless, they are absolutely dangerous people to even associate with. American women won't just land you up in court, they are court... a walking, breathing courtroom full of deceit and ulterior motives. Listen to women sometime talking to one another when they don't know you can hear them- they can site case law! And that's all they talk about- well, that and babies, and "cutesy" things- which, by the way, is just bizarre.. like matching the monster from "Alien" with Winnie the Poo. Like a jail house lawyer, they know almost as much about the law as an attorney, only because they've been through the system so many times- and if they're still young, you can bet they're being coached by their mothers. The biggest threat to American men today isn't from the outside- it's right in front of your face giving you a fake smile... women are definately born sneaky and manipulative, but they are unaware that they themselves have been manipulated by politicians, the state and federal government and the "system" in general. Just think of her as a representative of the court. Osama Bin Laden hasn't a damn thing on these terrorists. Here's an article called "Why Men Should Not Marry."


"Why men should not marry.
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All the older men I know, men who are 55 and older are telling me the same story; don't do it. It just turns to crap no matter what you do. They'd rather be independent. At best it's a tedious bore. At worst a living hell with financial ruin thrown in for good measure. The problem is that when you're young, you just naturally fall into this mind set where your whole self image is based on how women regard you, and so you spend all your money and energy trying to make yourself acceptable to them. Then later in life the shine wears off and you finally realize that you've wasted yourself on a bunch of crap.
Children - "the ultimate human experience"
I couldn't even begin to list all of the older people I know from work or through my family with kids they either don't get along with, are disappointed in, or are so distant as to not even be a factor in each other's lives.

I'm really skeptical about the idea of children as "the ultimate blessing." How many friends do you have with little or no meaningful contact or relationships with their parents?

I would wager the statistic for happy child/parent relations would be as bad, if not worse, than the marriage numbers. Who wants to deal with TWO bitter, unfulfilling relationships?!


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Marriage is a sham for men. There is no benefit. If you are about to get married, think it over. Don't let your scrotum do your thinking for you. Don't let your punch-drunk I'm in love euphoria put you on auto-pilot. You will wake up in a hell of a hangover staring at this woman who will control your life.


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A few years ago I went through a major depression over this until I started talking to all the older guys I knew...and they all said the same thing; "don't do it, it's shit. Even when it's not bad, it's shit". You end up being closely tied to an old woman. Think about that. I can go to Europe or the south seas tomorrow. If I was married I wouldn't have the money and I'd have to ask HER permission. Don't get married unless you are absolutely religiously in love with her. Like carry her sick aged body to the toilet and wipe her ass and be happy to do it kind of love.

What I'm saying is that human beings are nasty weak treacherous creatures that are for the most part totally untrustworthy. Experience is my basis for this statement, both mine and others who I know or who have written reliable histories. If you can find a woman to be your companion who is not treacherous, a deceitful little actress, a sly whore or a manipulative nag or a shrieking hag, then you are among the lucky few. Congratulations. I hope your luck continues to hold out.


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Ok, assume that you will end up divorced and won't see your kids and lose half of your assets, how different is that from being married?

Most married guys I know are working their asses off to pay bills, rarely to get to spend time with their families, mediocre or no sex life, and have wives that spend as much of their money as absolutely possible.

My problem with marriage isn't a fear of divorce; it is that the whole thing sucks divorce or not.


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What security is there for men in marriage?
If I cheat on my wife, she gets half my life savings and house.
If she cheats on me, she still gets half my life savings and house.
Why in the hell should I get married?


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Forget it, it's easy to get depressed about not being married when we live in a society that constantly feeds us the image of the happy couple. It's one big lie. The happiest person alive is someone who isn't a prisoner dependent on another human being... We only have 80 or so years on this rock to achieve true freedom


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Very few marriages last nowadays, and even guys older than me are telling me not to even think about it... It's a grossly overrated source of happiness. And for the 80% that do go through divorce, it will financially ruin you for life. Period. You can take your best 10 earning years from say, 35 to 45 and take all the wealth you would have accumulated and flush it down the toilet. Because it will go to her and her lawyer. If it happens naturally and it's good then great, good luck. But the worst thing is to force it, to make gross exertions and ignore all sorts of red lights going off just to be hooked up and "normal". Get some hobbies. Relax. Hang out. Enjoy. Take life as it comes.


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As men, we all know that a woman's primary objective is to marry. After years of experience I've discovered their most commonly used strategy. here it is:

1. Girl pressures guy for marriage.

2. Guy delays.

3. Girl gradually starts destroying guy's self-esteem and eliminating his friends.

4. Guy becomes too weak and too much of a loser to find something better than what he has.

5. Girl starts to limit sex. In effect controlling the only good thing in the guy's life.

6. Guy is in despair. Capitulates to marriage.


Then 5-10 years later the guy is an empty shell of his former self. Girl is a ruthless manipulating machine. Girl divorces loser husband. Girl takes 80% of guy's stuff because the guy is too brain dead to find a good lawyer. Girl lives happily ever after. Guy becomes bald alcoholic who dies of heart attack at 45 years old."

[LemonButt]

I actually found this post interesting although many will reply saying it isn't so etc. My mother has been married 3 times and my dad hasn't recovered from the first marriage. In today's world, there really isn't any reason for people to get married. To me, having a joint checking account means you are married. By this time, you are living together, sharing bills, and may even have kids and getting married is just something to do. I am young and I plan on getting married someday, but I have laid down some framework on relationships. I will not move in with someone, get a joint checking account, share in bills, or share major responsibilities (read: kids, pet ownership, etc) before getting married. I have my own theories on divorce. Many people get married too quick today (I live in Las Vegas, the marriage capital) and don't really know the other person. There are different types of love as well. I love ice cream sandwiches, but not the same way I would love my brother and definately not the same way I'd love a spouse. When sex is involved, it changes things too. It takes a lot more to get over the infatuation stage of a relationship and a person could mistake this for love. As the old saying goes, Men love women to have sex and Women have sex to get love.

[Autolykos]

This isn't exactly on-topic, but I would like to say something here. Despite the feminists' objections, a (if not the) major motivation for women is the need for security. To me, it seems that this is instinctual, at least in part. After all, women are the children-bearers of our species. Therefore it makes sense, from an evolutionary perspective, for women to want to be safe, so that they can bear children safely, and ensure the survival of our species (although they don't think about this last part). Much, if not most, of the behavior of women can be attributed to their need for security, IMHO.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing. Quite the reverse: although it may cause frustration between men and women, overall it is good. After all, we are here, aren't we? However, this female motivation is rather alien to men, for whom security is not nearly as important. Hence why men will never completely understand women. :-P

- Rob

[Osborn F Enready]

I would say the only reason to marry anymore, is strictly financial, based on the unfair tax advantages gained by married persons.

This is of course in acknowledgement of the currently abused legal systems dealings with divorce, and their history of siding with women in cases of divorce.

I would not marry again without a pre-nup, but if I found someone worthy of marriage, it would force me to question the need of such a contract, either marriage or a pre-nup.

I am not religious, so marriage to me is a nothing more than a way to appease popular tradition. Unless my significant other insisted on marriage, I would do what I could to avoid it.

[ibm]

this is somewhat a double post by austin2011 as i've encountered him and his posts in "why women get half" thread. anyways...

my wife and i celebrated our 10th anniversary this past june, and if you count the 5 years we dated before we got married, we've been together 15 years. i have to say having her in my life is one of the best things ever happened to me.

i'm telling y'all this just trying to say that i don't know nothing about divorce and don't know how it's like. there are no divorces in my inner family circle either, although i've heard some divorce stories (some nasty and bitter, some ain't).

my question to some of you, who claim men should never marry in this country, is - so divorce, and the awfully high divorce rate in this country, are all attributed to women then in your opinion? it is all women's fault? i mean it just doesn't sound right to me. but again, i have no experience to really know.

[Osborn F Enready]

I am divorced, but I understand that each situation is different.

I don't believe ALL men should do anything, other than exercise their rights and protect them. I can say for myself however, that I do not see a reason to marry OTHER than the financial benefits due to unfair taxation.

I don't think it is ALWAYs the womans fault, nor do I disagree with every court decision on the topic, but I do think marriage is a non-essential contract that is for the purpose of internal/external validation by peers or due to self belief.

I think marriage is more a relgious tradition, and it should not enter into the realm of social contracts with legal enforcement.

Relationships are personal, and no physical contract can make a relationship stronger except through perception. Much like the placebo effect, in my opinion.

[austin2011]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I would say the only reason to marry anymore, is strictly financial, based on the unfair tax advantages gained by married persons. This is of course in acknowledgement of the currently abused legal systems dealings with divorce, and their history of siding with women in cases of divorce. I would not marry again without a pre-nup, but if I found someone worthy of marriage, it would force me to question the need of such a contract, either marriage or a pre-nup. I am not religious, so marriage to me is a nothing more than a way to appease popular tradition. Unless my significant other insisted on marriage, I would do what I could to avoid it.

I hate to burst your bubble, but I work for a law firm, and women have been challenging "pre-nups" for years in court and winning. Not to metion the fact that a "pre-nup" does not and cannot have any effect on the outcome of child custody- the most important part of any divorce when children are involved. So basically a "pre-nup" is a worthless piece of paper. Funny how they don't blast this sort of thing on the six o'colck news- you practically have to work for a law firm or be an attorney to know this information-- practically THE most important thing you should know.. what a crock. Sorry, for a man, there is no "security" in marriage at all. Consider this- a marriage license is, in a very real sense, a "pre-nup" in and of itself, but certainly not a worthless piece of paper. It imposes state control over your personal life. As a man, you are making the most important step in your entire life with absolutely no rights at all. For your sake, I hope that you never have go through the hopelessness of divorce court. (Funny, I've noticed absolutely no women have replied yet to this topic... hm...)

[Critter]

IMO, it's the commitment that's important, not the piece of paper that says, "Congratulations! You're married!"

I spent 2 1/2 years with someone that I became "engaged" to after knowing him for about a month. We just clicked. It was one of those things. But he had various outstanding debts, including child support for three kids from his previous marriage, and I wanted to wait until he got his finances more or less in order so I wouldn't be garnished for his debts. (Thanks to the wonderful government Osborn loves so much. )

Long story short, because I didn't jump and marry him RIGHT THEN, even though I came home to him every night, never even thought about cheating on him, and stood by him through quite a lot of bullshit (INCLUDING bailing him out of jail, because one of his [many] exes put out a warrant on him for "menacing", which he didn't deserve) he cheated on me, told some really elaborate lies about it, and ran off and married the other woman. Apparently being married was more important to him than the quality of the actual relationship.

I still talk to him, and the funny thing is, he hates his wife, his wife's kids are brats, his family was going to sue him because of money he borrowed, his car(s) keep breaking down, blah blah blah. And his wife's tax return was taken away from her to pay for some of his child support rearages. Meanwhile, I'm nowhere near as naive and trusting as I used to be, and I have more money now that I have no one but myself I have to support. (Well, three cats, but they don't eat much.)

My only point being, marriage doesn't mean shit anymore, and thank GOD I didn't get married, or I'd be in the middle of a divorce right about now. It's pretty damn sad, really.

[austin2011]

Quote by: Critter IMO, it's the commitment that's important, not the piece of paper that says, "Congratulations! You're married!" I spent 2 1/2 years with someone that I became "engaged" to after knowing him for about a month. We just clicked. It was one of those things. But he had various outstanding debts, including child support for three kids from his previous marriage, and I wanted to wait until he got his finances more or less in order so I wouldn't be garnished for his debts. (Thanks to the wonderful government Osborn loves so much. ) Long story short, because I didn't jump and marry him RIGHT THEN, even though I came home to him every night, never even thought about cheating on him, and stood by him through quite a lot of bullshit (INCLUDING bailing him out of jail, because one of his [many] exes put out a warrant on him for "menacing", which he didn't deserve) he cheated on me, told some really elaborate lies about it, and ran off and married the other woman. Apparently being married was more important to him than the quality of the actual relationship. I still talk to him, and the funny thing is, he hates his wife, his wife's kids are brats, his family was going to sue him because of money he borrowed, his car(s) keep breaking down, blah blah blah. And his wife's tax return was taken away from her to pay for some of his child support rearages. Meanwhile, I'm nowhere near as naive and trusting as I used to be, and I have more money now that I have no one but myself I have to support. (Well, three cats, but they don't eat much.) My only point being, marriage doesn't mean shit anymore, and thank GOD I didn't get married, or I'd be in the middle of a divorce right about now. It's pretty damn sad, really.

Ironically, it was this ex-wife making his life a living Hell- the fraudualant accusations, on and on and on and on- all the trailor park drama that women are so fond of even when they live in the suburbs. It's hard to fix your car when all of your money is being sucked out of your check. Funny, I noticed that you were an absolutely perfect mate- you did absolutely nothing wrong at all. That's amazing! Funny how women's stories always sound the exact same way- zero accountability- yet all I hear from men is how psycho women are- in fact, you just mentioned his ex was a psycho. What a coincidence!

[ibm]

okay, i’m now hearing more stories – from both ying and yang. but how’s your stories lead to the conclusion that all men should never marry again?

[Critter]

Quote by: austin2011 Ironically, it was this ex-wife making his life a living Hell- the fraudualant accusations, on and on and on and on- all the trailor park drama that women are so fond of even when they live in the suburbs. It's hard to fix your car when all of your money is being sucked out of your check. Funny, I noticed that you were an absolutely perfect mate- you did absolutely nothing wrong at all. That's amazing! Funny how women's stories always sound the exact same way- zero accountability- yet all I hear from men is how psycho women are- in fact, you just mentioned his ex was a psycho. What a coincidence!

The ex-wife, who had custody of the kids, is the one who was zapping all the money from his paycheck. But I should add that the only reason he was that far behind in rearages is that he was only sporadically able to hold a job, so while he was out of work, the rearages mounted up.

An ex-girlfriend, whom he started dating AFTER he split from his ex-wife, was the one who put out the menacing warrant. (He chose to run his mouth more than he should, and she chose to turn it around into a situation it really wasn't. Long story. She was a bitch anyway, to hear him tell it, and I don't doubt it.)

If I did anything wrong, it was to take things for granted, such as my belief that he would not cheat, and to take on extra job duties, which brought on extra hours and extra pay, because I was tired of running out of money trying to support myself, help support him, and his oldest son, who was living with us at the time.

Plus, there's a big difference between needing a muffler for your car and buying a stock muffler for like $20, and instead going out and buying a cat-back N1 system. Or talking about buying a body kit for an Acura which costs $600 when I need help paying the rent. And then criticizing me for splurging on a $10 decal for my windshield.

I'm not complaining, really, it was a good learning experience. But please do not make generalizations about my situation and about my life when you do not know me.

[austin2011]

Quote by: Critter The ex-wife, who had custody of the kids, is the one who was zapping all the money from his paycheck. I'm not complaining, really, it was a good learning experience. But please do not make generalizations about my situation and about my life when you do not know me.

I know it was the ex-wife garnishing his check (?) I have no idea why you would even mention that.

I'm not making "generalizations" about your situation or your life- I'm going strictly off what you told me (!)

Yes, yes, yes, *yawn* the only mistake you made was "trusting him," bla, bla, bla, (no accountability ever) bla, bla, bla. You're obviously missing the point, and if your communications skills are always like this, then this is red flag no# 1.

[Critter]

Once again, you were not there. I did an awful lot for him, and didn't mind doing it. It was the fact that he chose to go off and screw someone else, which I had told him point-blank was the ONLY thing I could not forgive.

Though I should mention that later, after he figured out married life with the other woman was not what he apparently thought it would be, instead of trying to put it all on me as he had when we were still living together and fighting, he finally admitted that I didn't do anything wrong.

My whole entire point is that the institution of marriage nowadays is a sham. It means nothing. Even "long-term relationships" mean nothing. If I'm with someone, and I'm planning on being with them for the rest of my life, I don't care if I have that piece of paper or not, I take it seriously. Too many people don't. If I'm with someone, it's because I love them, not because they have a six-figure income and can buy me a damn Mercedes. Some things are just more important than money.

I'm sorry that you seem to think I'm some kind of lying, manipulative woman, but I'm not.

[ibm]

Quote by: Critter ... If I'm with someone, and I'm planning on being with them for the rest of my life, I don't care if I have that piece of paper or not, I take it seriously. Too many people don't. If I'm with someone, it's because I love them, not because they have a six-figure income and can buy me a damn Mercedes. Some things are just more important than money. ...

think you're the only one who's that way?

[Protostar]

Quote by: ibm okay, i’m now hearing more stories – from both ying and yang. but how’s your stories lead to the conclusion that all men should never marry again?

Because there is no reason for us to. It's a ripoff and geared toward women. They don't care about security. All they care about is getting a piece of the pie of the relationship goes south, regardless if they put anything into it or not. I feel that if a girl just doesn't except your love for what it is, and insists on getting married then she has alterior motives and you should drop her like a stone. Maybe she realize what a selfish bitch she's being and come to her senses, but most likely not.

[austin2011]

Quote by: Critter Once again, you were not there. I did an awful lot for him, and didn't mind doing it. It was the fact that he chose to go off and screw someone else, which I had told him point-blank was the ONLY thing I could not forgive. Though I should mention that later, after he figured out married life with the other woman was not what he apparently thought it would be, instead of trying to put it all on me as he had when we were still living together and fighting, he finally admitted that I didn't do anything wrong. My whole entire point is that the institution of marriage nowadays is a sham. It means nothing. Even "long-term relationships" mean nothing. If I'm with someone, and I'm planning on being with them for the rest of my life, I don't care if I have that piece of paper or not, I take it seriously. Too many people don't. If I'm with someone, it's because I love them, not because they have a six-figure income and can buy me a damn Mercedes. Some things are just more important than money. I'm sorry that you seem to think I'm some kind of lying, manipulative woman, but I'm not.

It's the lack of accountability on the part of women and they're complete self-centered, self absorbed attitude- they only see the world as a reflection of themeselves and are living in a totally, completely seperate reality. So your ex-b-friend is guilty of a selfish act, but that is light years away from being selfish to the core the way women are today. Every second of the day is all about themselves. You say "that was the one thing you couldn't forgive." If was me, I would tell you that I don't give a f*** what you think... about anything. And if you don't like it, then I guess you're just going to have to buck up and shut up, or hit the door, bitch. I never take criticism from a woman- ever- because I have no respect for women at all. Why? Because there is nothing there to respect. What can you learn from a woman? How to be a bitch? What the hell did you ever learn from your mother? Not a damn thing. All your mother ever said was, "don't do that." Oooo, big life lesson. Now think about this... the only ones who liberated women were not women themselves, but men. The inventions of men- cars, air conditioning, security systems, cell phones, tolerable working conditions- all the completely artificial world that women take completely for granted that they can only have their "freedom" inside of- all invented by men. And women have absolutely zero corresponding intellect to the world around them- where it all came from- and not even the slightest comprehension of how a man thinks... even going so far as to re-write history into some psycho, lame-ass, weirdo warpdom. They simply say women didn't have any "oppurtunties." Women still do the same old crap they've always done- aspire to own flower shops or work their way into middle management.. women were doing that loooong before "feminism." The universities, all of science, psychology- my god, even cosmetics and the culinary arts- all invented by men. Women left to their own devices would shrivel up and DIE. My daughter asked me once, "what if their had never been men?" I told her that's easy... you would all be nothing but lesbians living in caves! If all the men disappeared tomorrow it would be hysterical to watch as everything would slowly break down and decay- and then eventually you would all end up wandering and eating berries. My whole point? Women want their freedom from men- but to do what??? Go to the freaking mall and be a whore. Women now are worthless- even to themselves and see men as nothing more than "maintenence." New Orleans was an example of what happens when people are suddenly robbed of all the modern conveniences they take oh so for granted. My god, who do you think conquered the West and provided you with the very ground you're standing on, with it's ingenius style of government and culture? A bunch of whining, crying bitches with their lattes and laptops down at Starbucks?

[Morgan_Freeman]

It's important to distinguish between the two different kinds of marriage.

One is a social/cultural and usually religious institution that involves things like rings, wedding dresses, a preacher, vows, etc.

The other is the legal institution. It typically (depending on the State) involves a trip to the courthouse to obtain a document stating that one is "married". It's a legal checkbox of sorts.

I would say that there is no reason for a man (or anyone) to do the former. As far as the latter, there are a variety of uses for it. I've used it myself, as a means to sidestep US immigration quotas. Why this thing the law calls "marriage" should be a reason for allowing people to immigrate, I have no idea.

[Critter]

Quote by: austin2011 It's the lack of accountability on the part of women and they're complete self-centered, self absorbed attitude- they only see the world as a reflection of themeselves and are living in a totally, completely seperate reality. So your ex-b-friend is guilty of a selfish act, but that is light years away from being selfish to the core the way women are today. Every second of the day is all about themselves. You say "that was the one thing you couldn't forgive." If was me, I would tell you that I don't give a f*** what you think... about anything. And if you don't like it, then I guess you're just going to have to buck up and shut up, or hit the door, bitch. I never take criticism from a woman- ever- because I have no respect for women at all. Why? Because there is nothing there to respect. What can you learn from a woman? How to be a bitch? What the hell did you ever learn from your mother? Not a damn thing. All your mother ever said was, "don't do that." Oooo, big life lesson. Now think about this... the only ones who liberated women were not women themselves, but men. The inventions of men- cars, air conditioning, security systems, cell phones, tolerable working conditions- all the completely artificial world that women take completely for granted that they can only have their "freedom" inside of- all invented by men. And women have absolutely zero corresponding intellect to the world around them- where it all came from- and not even the slightest comprehension of how a man thinks... even going so far as to re-write history into some psycho, lame-ass, weirdo warpdom. They simply say women didn't have any "oppurtunties." Women still do the same old crap they've always done- aspire to own flower shops or work their way into middle management.. women were doing that loooong before "feminism." The universities, all of science, psychology- my god, even cosmetics and the culinary arts- all invented by men. Women left to their own devices would shrivel up and DIE. My daughter asked me once, "what if their had never been men?" I told her that's easy... you would all be nothing but lesbians living in caves! If all the men disappeared tomorrow it would be hysterical to watch as everything would slowly break down and decay- and then eventually you would all end up wandering and eating berries. My whole point? Women want their freedom from men- but to do what??? Go to the freaking mall and be a whore. Women now are worthless- even to themselves and see men as nothing more than "maintenence." New Orleans was an example of what happens when people are suddenly robbed of all the modern conveniences they take oh so for granted. My god, who do you think conquered the West and provided you with the very ground you're standing on, with it's ingenius style of government and culture? A bunch of whining, crying bitches with their lattes and laptops down at Starbucks?

I am NOT reading that incredibly long and incredibly un-organized post. But just skimming through it, it seems you have some serious issues.

I resent being lumped into a certain category of what YOU think ALL women are. I am not evil, manipulative, dishonest or lazy. I have a full-time job, as I stated before (even though you apparently didn't believe me, as I am a woman, so I MUST fit every single one of your stereotypes), I pay my bills on time, I live up to my responsibilities and live an honest life. But you know me and all other women beter than we know ourselves, so I'm just going to stop talking now. Anything I post in response to your egotistical, small-minded POV isn't going to change your mind.

Best of luck with your unhappy, bitter little life.

[Critter]

Quote by: ibm think you're the only one who's that way?

In this day and age, it certainly seems like it. Or if not money, there are other superficial reasons involved.:(

[Mia]

I don't see a reason for women to marry, unless they want children. If women would just learn to get this 'love' crap out of their heads, they could clean up.

Men want sex. Men will do anything to get it. Women want sex too, we just have to parcel it out. So we could get sex + all the things men will give/do to have it....it's a win/win for us!!!