Why should you get half??

[kingjust]

It's always disgusted me that women can get half or all of the assets during a divorce. I don't want to get to detailed, just let me know what you guys and gals think about this "right"?

[lsbskins1]

These things must be judged on a case by case basis, but very often, a 50/50 split is warrented. Just remember, that in todays two career family, where the wife often earns more than the husband, the assett split works in his "favor".

[kingjust]

Quote by: lsbskins1 These things must be judged on a case by case basis, but very often, a 50/50 split is warrented. Just remember, that in todays two creer family, where the wife often earns more than the husband, the assett split works in his "favor".

Agreed, but what about the situations where the wife or husbands were never forced to stay home but never chose to get a job, should they get half? I don' t think so.

[Mr.Vicchio]

HAHHAHAHA.... I am divorced. My Ex-wife has the hook up.

I was an E-5. You can look up an E-5 pay with 8 years of service, and tell me how I am supposed to cover 630 a month in child support. But, it gets better, she also left me with ALL the debt sans her lane bryant card... (trust me it wasn't pretty)

But what IRKS me the most? The house. When it sells, she gets 50% of ANY PROFIT but! If for some reason the house were not able to sell for more then we paid... and I had to bring money to close the deal. She would not have to pay a penny.

[lsbskins1]

Again, case by case. If he was a politician, and she was his political wife (by this I mean that her very existence as a "traditional wife" enhances his career and electability), then yes, she is entitled. If they lived in a small house, he worked as a mechanic and they needed the income and she refused to get a job, different story. Case by case is the only real answer to this question.

[lsbskins1]

You know, Mr. V.

I can see men bitchin' about alimony in alot of cases, but you get no sympathy from me over child support payments... unless of course, she "stole" your sperm when you weren't looking.

[Critter]

Quote by: lsbskins1 You know, Mr. V. I can see men bitchin' about alimony in alot of cases, but you get no sympathy from me over child support payments... unless of course, she "stole" your sperm when you weren't looking.

I agree with you, but the bad part is, the child support agency doesn't give a rats ass if the man is living out of a cardboard box, as long as they get their money.

[Athena]

Quote by: lsbskins1 Again, case by case. If he was a politician, and she was his political wife (by this I mean that her very existence as a "traditional wife" enhances his career and electability), then yes, she is entitled. If they lived in a small house, he worked as a mechanic and they needed the income and she refused to get a job, different story. Case by case is the only real answer to this question.

How about if he was an alcoholic mechanic who became more abusive if she dared leave the home, causing her to give up her higher education and any chance of a career, and then he walks out leaving her with the children and neither the education nor work experience to be competitive for career position, and she is too old to complete that education, begin a career and build a retirement fund. What is fair then?

By the way, not all states have a 50/50 law, and the child support situation sucks big time! At least in Oregon, the state now determines how much a parent will pay for child support and automatically deducts it from people's wages, even when parents have agreed neither one will pay child support when the other has the children. There is no judge and attroneys, at least not for the poor, working on these decisions. The decision is based on a state standard, and the state has complete power of tyranny. Even when people have had lawyers and settled in court, I am horrified by the injustice to men, that has recently shifted to an injustice to women as well. The decisions are so insane they have nothing to do with the welfare of children. My son was ordered to pay his wife back child support, for the short time she had their son. He has raised his son most the years and presently has custody of their son. As soon as the mother gets the back support payment, she gets drugs. Their son is doing without while the mother is destroying her life with drugs, and evidently there is nothing my son can do to protect his son with the money needed for his expenses, while the state is enabling the mother to be a drug addict. Talk about injustice! This is the power of tyranny folks. It should not be confused with the conflicts between husbands and wives, pitting us against eachother, rather than unity us against the tyranny above us. The state has become a tyrant over all parents and is out of control.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: Critter I agree with you, but the bad part is, the child support agency doesn't give a rats ass if the man is living out of a cardboard box, as long as they get their money.

Don't have kids you can't afford. If state law says child support levels are set at 300 per child per month, don't have 6 kids if you work at Wal-Mart. You, as an adult, control that. Once the kid is born, he can't get you a better job, and he's gotta eat and have clothes. Don't have kids you can not afford.

[Mr.Vicchio]

That's a load of bullmularcky if ever I saw such.

I didn't ask for the divorce. My Ex decided that since I had no desire to move back to her home town, and live there after I got out of the Navy, she would go running home to mommy. WHICH she did. To keep Joint Custody of the kids, I was pulled over the coals.

I have ZERO problem with paying child support. I do however have a problem with living by the skin of my teeth while my ex wife lives off the support. She's gone on one 7 day cruise, going on another, took a 5 day 4 night shopping spree to the mall fo America... (she works as a CNA, she makes a little over 1k a month, her MOTHER pays for her house, paid off her car and pays for her utlities). My ex is scamming the good life while I barely make it month to month.

And she's talking about taking legal action if I don't hold out for the highest sale price on this house. That's bullshit. She didn't pay for it, she has NO exposure if it doesn't sell, and she gets to force me to pay 600(rent and mortgage and THAT doesn't cover insurance AND taxes) a month till it sells enough to make HER a profit?

Bull Shit.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio That's a load of bullmularcky if ever I saw such. I didn't ask for the divorce. My Ex decided that since I had no desire to move back to her home town, and live there after I got out of the Navy, she would go running home to mommy. WHICH she did. To keep Joint Custody of the kids, I was pulled over the coals. I have ZERO problem with paying child support. I do however have a problem with living by the skin of my teeth while my ex wife lives off the support. She's gone on one 7 day cruise, going on another, took a 5 day 4 night shopping spree to the mall fo America... (she works as a CNA, she makes a little over 1k a month, her MOTHER pays for her house, paid off her car and pays for her utlities). My ex is scamming the good life while I barely make it month to month. And she's talking about taking legal action if I don't hold out for the highest sale price on this house. That's bullshit. She didn't pay for it, she has NO exposure if it doesn't sell, and she gets to force me to pay 600(rent and mortgage and THAT doesn't cover insurance AND taxes) a month till it sells enough to make HER a profit? Bull Shit.

She sounds like the devil. Why the hell dif you marry her??

[bishop]

there was a bitch just like his ex across the street from me in jersey..

she cheated on her, now deceased, husband with this loser conveniently named "brad".. her husband had his own garage, so she got a nice alimony payment out of him.. then he died and their 2 kids got money from his trust fund/will/whatever.. she found a way to siphon that money into her pocket - charged the kids rent, etc... she would also hold yearly "memorials" to "honor" her dead ex-husband.. see, this guy was friends with all the cops and local bureaucracy.. these parties were basically fund-raisers that went straight into her pockets.

after the first husband died, she married good ol' "brad".. a couple years, and one kid later, that marriage is about to dissolve. she actually had her new lover over her house one night WHILE brad was there.. talk about class...

[lsbskins1]

So what you are saying, V., is that she has a better support network than you. She must be smarter or maybe the "Lord" is showing his favor for her. And, just like every big business on the face of the planet, she is working the system to her advantage. What she is doing is not illegal, so it must be moral. If you don't like it, don't expect any remedy from the courts, you better petition your congressman to pass a law that resinds the law that allows her to force your hand in this matter, because we can't have anyone legislating from the bench. Obviously, the majority of the people in your state believe this is how it should be...

Do any of these statement get under your skin V., because they are classic conservative arguments against your possition...

[Mulkaccino]

Quote by: lsbskins1 So what you are saying, V., is that she has a better support network than you. She must be smarter or maybe the "Lord" is showing his favor for her. And, just like every big business on the face of the planet, she is working the system to her advantage. What she is doing is not illegal, so it must be moral. If you don't like it, don't expect any remedy from the courts, you better petition your congressman to pass a law that resinds the law that allows her to force your hand in this matter, because we can't have anyone legislating from the bench. Obviously, the majority of the people in your state believe this is how it should be... Do any of these statement get under your skin V., because they are classic conservative arguments against your possition...

Vics political stance has nothing to do with this thread, so I'm not sure if your just trying to discredit him or... what?

The point is, often times the male does absolutely nothing wrong in the eyes or society yet he still gets scammed for money big time with child support. If the parent with the child is well to do to the point where s/he is able to consume lavish goods and services will the payee is picking up penny's to make it month to month, is actual support for the child justified? This needs to continuously be examined, and I'll tell you right now, it NEVER happens.

[Athena]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio That's a load of bullmularcky if ever I saw such. I didn't ask for the divorce. My Ex decided that since I had no desire to move back to her home town, and live there after I got out of the Navy, she would go running home to mommy. WHICH she did. To keep Joint Custody of the kids, I was pulled over the coals. I have ZERO problem with paying child support. I do however have a problem with living by the skin of my teeth while my ex wife lives off the support. She's gone on one 7 day cruise, going on another, took a 5 day 4 night shopping spree to the mall fo America... (she works as a CNA, she makes a little over 1k a month, her MOTHER pays for her house, paid off her car and pays for her utlities). My ex is scamming the good life while I barely make it month to month. And she's talking about taking legal action if I don't hold out for the highest sale price on this house. That's bullshit. She didn't pay for it, she has NO exposure if it doesn't sell, and she gets to force me to pay 600(rent and mortgage and THAT doesn't cover insurance AND taxes) a month till it sells enough to make HER a profit? Bull Shit.

Excuse me. I thought this was a public forum. I find this exclusively male discussion of injustice and wrong, very offensive. The correction would be acknowledging a female point of view without the dripping hatred of women that has colored this thread. I am not demanding respect, because that is like trying to get water out of well that has gone dry.
It is not possible to get respect from people who have a bias that leads to disrespect.
However, I am pointing out a glaring fault with this discussion.

If you had been a wiser man, you would have followed your wife and given her time to be with her mother, as you surely would expect her to agree to a move to wherever you might chose to live.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I don't hate women Athena, I remarried, very happily. The system does however favor women in divorce (and when their are kids involved) over men.

That's just reality.

IsbSkins1, yes her support network is better then mine. When mommy will give you a home and offer to pay off your debt and help you... marriage is doomed. The rest of your drivvel isn't worth responding too, it's all personal baiting thinking you are "clever" You're not, get a clue.

Why did I marry her? She was my High School sweetheart, she was different. She didn't have expectations of the "perfect husband" the list goes on, but needless to say, the whole basic point was, I wouldn't conform to her standards, and one of those was to move back to her hometown, and live within a 3 miles radius of most of her family. I insisted that when I got ot or retried from Naval service, then we'd go whereever the best job was.

She also (because her dad once cheated) accussed me of screwing every gal I ever knew. Damn if I even had 1/4 the ladies she claimed... I would be one of the bigger "studs" you ever met.

[Prometheus]

Get rid of government marriages. If you want to share and split assets, sign a contract. It's not hard.

[Dirty Name]

It's always disgusted me that women can get half or all of the assets during a divorce. I don't want to get to detailed, just let me know what you guys and gals think about this "right"?

Just because your spouse stays at home doesn't mean she doesn't deserve half your money. After all, it's her staying at home, cooking you dinner, raising your kids, etc. that enabled you to be effective at the job you have now.

[Critter]

Quote by: lsbskins1 Don't have kids you can't afford. If state law says child support levels are set at 300 per child per month, don't have 6 kids if you work at Wal-Mart. You, as an adult, control that. Once the kid is born, he can't get you a better job, and he's gotta eat and have clothes. Don't have kids you can not afford.

I'm sure most people aren't planning to get divorced from the beginning of their marriage, so they're not going to be looking at the child support laws to determine how many kids to have.

I have no comment on unwed parents as of right now.

[kingjust]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio That's a load of bullmularcky if ever I saw such. I didn't ask for the divorce. My Ex decided that since I had no desire to move back to her home town, and live there after I got out of the Navy, she would go running home to mommy. WHICH she did. To keep Joint Custody of the kids, I was pulled over the coals. I have ZERO problem with paying child support. I do however have a problem with living by the skin of my teeth while my ex wife lives off the support. She's gone on one 7 day cruise, going on another, took a 5 day 4 night shopping spree to the mall fo America... (she works as a CNA, she makes a little over 1k a month, her MOTHER pays for her house, paid off her car and pays for her utlities). My ex is scamming the good life while I barely make it month to month. And she's talking about taking legal action if I don't hold out for the highest sale price on this house. That's bullshit. She didn't pay for it, she has NO exposure if it doesn't sell, and she gets to force me to pay 600(rent and mortgage and THAT doesn't cover insurance AND taxes) a month till it sells enough to make HER a profit? Bull Shit.

I feel for you V, that would be one dead bitch....... OOps, didn't want to model Pat Robertson!!! LOL