Why should you get half??

[Protostar]

Quote by: mathurin 2 words, foreign brides the girls i have met overseas beat out most american girls, in both looks and sweetness

I have to travel overseas. I heard the women in Sweden were unbelievable.

[Logjam]

Quote by: kingjust It's always disgusted me that women can get half or all of the assets during a divorce. I don't want to get to detailed, just let me know what you guys and gals think about this "right"?

I think you are describing the situation in "community property states". Some aren't. California is, and Oregon isn't.

However, I don't know what happens in divorces here in Oregon.

I think that a man is likely going to lose his shirt in a divorce. The courts say that the wife deserves her share of the families assets. Even if she didn't earn a wage. They say that her housework was worth something.

Anyway, divorce is a mess. I suggest that you work out a way to keep her. You were happy when you married weren't you? What happened?

People don't work as hard to stay together as they do to break up....I think.

No matter how you cut it, in a divorce you are going to get screwed.

[Logjam]

Quote by: Protostar I have to travel overseas. I heard the women in Sweden were unbelievable.

I hate to say it, but in general I agree with you. I am, however; happily married to an American girl.

I've live in Japan (wonderful women; the men aren't so nice; but the women are worth the trip.), German, France, England, Spain, Italy, Korea, The Philippines and China.

Foreign women understand the importance of acting like a women. They know the power of feminity. American women have forgotten that very important fact. Seems to me that as a young American girl matures her elders come up to them and say, "Now listen to us, we are going to teach you how to become a bitch".

[SteveA]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio HAHHAHAHA.... I am divorced. My Ex-wife has the hook up. I was an E-5. You can look up an E-5 pay with 8 years of service, and tell me how I am supposed to cover 630 a month in child support. But, it gets better, she also left me with ALL the debt sans her lane bryant card... (trust me it wasn't pretty) But what IRKS me the most? The house. When it sells, she gets 50% of ANY PROFIT but! If for some reason the house were not able to sell for more then we paid... and I had to bring money to close the deal. She would not have to pay a penny.

I should resist taking a jab at communism, but you know the expression about sharing the "means of production"?

Noone ever wants to share the responsibility for non-production.

My father owes something like $250,000 in child support now. He's an artist and had a bit of a difficult time supporting our family before the divorce but after lawyers, court appearances in other states and child support tacked on, he finally sunk. He would have been able to support out family ... but supporting government overhead is beyond many peoples ability.

[RVonse]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio That's a load of bullmularcky if ever I saw such. I didn't ask for the divorce. My Ex decided that since I had no desire to move back to her home town, and live there after I got out of the Navy, she would go running home to mommy. WHICH she did. To keep Joint Custody of the kids, I was pulled over the coals. I have ZERO problem with paying child support. I do however have a problem with living by the skin of my teeth while my ex wife lives off the support. She's gone on one 7 day cruise, going on another, took a 5 day 4 night shopping spree to the mall fo America... (she works as a CNA, she makes a little over 1k a month, her MOTHER pays for her house, paid off her car and pays for her utlities). My ex is scamming the good life while I barely make it month to month. And she's talking about taking legal action if I don't hold out for the highest sale price on this house. That's bullshit. She didn't pay for it, she has NO exposure if it doesn't sell, and she gets to force me to pay 600(rent and mortgage and THAT doesn't cover insurance AND taxes) a month till it sells enough to make HER a profit? Bull Shit.

Mr. Vicchio,
I hear loud and clear your pain and believe or not this is not near as bad as many other guys have.

What I fail to realize is how you can be so firm about conservative values as it helps more men get screwed in divorce court??? Don't you think men and women should both get equal justice in court???

I think you should re-evaluate what conservative thinking has done to our court system. Because you have seen this injustice first hand.

[RVonse]

Quote by: ibm i’ve been married for ten happy years, so i don’t know exactly how divorce is like. but imo it is a shame half of the marriages in this country are failed ones. when it comes to divorce, i imagine it is a lose-lose situation. there is no winner in that picture. not the husband/father, not the wife/mother, nor the child.

I guarentee you it was a win win for all of Johnny Carson's wives.

[RVonse]

Quote by: liverleef man, these are some bad stories. Note to self, don't divorce the wife

Thats what a lot of guys say.

The truth of the matter is what you want doesn't mean diddly squat to the court system today.

[RVonse]

Quote by: austin2011 Just one more reason, guys, to never get married or even live with a woman. Never have children. Until the legal climate changes in this country, you are going to have to be single just to survive. My suggestion is to turn your back on women and walk away. Women in this country are now worthless as wives, co-workers- anything.. but that would be O.K. if it ended there- no, now they're dangerous. Just have sex with women and then dump them as quickly as possible- their only goal is to exploit you. They see you as nothing more than a sperm donor and a wallet- a monthly paycheck. Oh, sure, they'll put on a convincing little facade for a few years just to make it look legit, but if you believe that a woman has any true respect for you at all, you're sadly mistaken, and if you believe that a pretty face and a sweet smile is a sign of a "good person," then you have a loooooong way to go in learning about character. It's not so much that all women are "horrible" people, (they're more like "half" human- a kind of drooling idiot vampire zombie out of a horror movie that doesn't even have the mental facilities to comprehend accountability, much less practice it) it's the court that facillitates them- it's like if it were suddenly legal to rob banks.You're being ripped off by the system. Women in America today have an overwhelming sense of "entitlement," and translated means you are the one who is going to get raped emotionally and finacially. 65% divorce rate... and women file well over half of the divorces- the "no fault" divorce- can it be any more transparent what women's intentions really are? So why even bother? My advice? Get a dog- they're far more reliable, smarter, and much better company. Women and children are a ripoff, so look out for yourself, because NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO.

This is great advice but sadly no one will listen. When it comes to marriage and women, men have their heads way up their ass. The forces of evolution are stacked against men here.

[Logjam]

Quote by: Protostar I have to travel overseas. I heard the women in Sweden were unbelievable.

While I have met many wonderful American girls. In my opinion, I think that, in general, foreign females are more desirable than are American ladies.

Foreign girls are slimmer, more charming, more feminine (Something that many American girls scorn.) more fun and more down to earth than are American ladies.

American women won't look at you as you walk down the street. They avoid your glance. They are scared, I think. I seldom see them smile at a stranger, for instance. The American female has been trained to be paranoid. They have also been taught by the radical feminist to hate men. That's not a good thing for them if they want to attract men.

If one is having a hard time finding a suitable wife in the US one is better off to travel. I've known several men who went wife hunting with success in Australia. I've known some who went to the Philippines, Thailand, and Japan (Japanese girls are amazing!) I happen to like English girls, but I don't know why. And then there's the French! Those dollies are in a catagory all their own. They understand what American girls don't, which is feminity is the source of a female's power! They can turn a man to putty with a coquettish glance. American women tend to sneer; an obvious turn off.

I met my wife at a pool party in Northern California, so one can find a wife in the US, but it's harder to fine a one here than than it is abroad. Least that's what I think.

However, I think that men in this country could use a make over too. But that's another subject.

[Logjam]

Quote by: austin2011 The real question here is should MEN marry. It's completely different for men. Here's an excerpt from a website discussing that very topic. "Why men should not marry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All the older guys I know, guys that are 55 and older are telling me the same story; don't do it. It just turns to crap no matter what you do. They'd rather be independent. At best it's a tedious bore."

I disagree. I'm sixty and have been married for 25 years. My wife and I have a wonderful time together! When we married I decided that I'd do all that I could to make her happy and to help her to become successful and fullfilled. She had been pretty badly emotionally abused. Even though she had been quite successful (worked in the Shakespeare festive in Ashland, OR which is a pinnacle of success for someone in the theatre biz.)

My wife decided that she'd do all that she could to make me happy. So we spend all of our time working to make each other happy. Guess what? We are happy. It's not that hard to do. Think of the other person in a marriage first; always.

My wife sees that I toe the line, that I brush my teeth, do healthy things, don't drink and drive, etc. And, she's a wonderful cook! She loves to decorate our home. She works hard in the garden. She's just a delightful lady.

Without my wife my life would be much more lonely and less productive. My wife keeps me young (She's quite a bit younger than am I.)

I, therefore; strongly disagree with the old blokes whom you have been talking to. My dictum is: Happily married people are the happiest people on the Earth. Unhappily married people are the most unhappy, and single people fall somewhere in between.

I like being a member of the first group.

[kingjust]

Quote by: Logjam I disagree. I'm sixty and have been married for 25 years. My wife and I have a wonderful time together! When we married I decided that I'd do all that I could to make her happy and to help her to become successful and fullfilled. She had been pretty badly emotionally abused. Even though she had been quite successful (worked in the Shakespeare festive in Ashland, OR which is a pinnacle of success for someone in the theatre biz.) My wife decided that she'd do all that she could to make me happy. So we spend all of our time working to make each other happy. Guess what? We are happy. It's not that hard to do. Think of the other person in a marriage first; always. My wife sees that I toe the line, that I brush my teeth, do healthy things, don't drink and drive, etc. And, she's a wonderful cook! She loves to decorate our home. She works hard in the garden. She's just a delightful lady. Without my wife my life would be much more lonely and less productive. My wife keeps me young (She's quite a bit younger than am I.) I, therefore; strongly disagree with the old blokes whom you have been talking to. My dictum is: Happily married people are the happiest people on the Earth. Unhappily married people are the most unhappy, and single people fall somewhere in between. I like being a member of the first group.

Excellent response, which still leads to my question, why should they get half. I mean, your wife seems to be pulling her weight as you do. So for a women not to pull her weight and then expect to be taken care of through the courts is my main problem. And bad enough that the courts side with the female 80% of the time like they are frail and can't do shit for themselves,...which in reality they know they can.