Bush administration objects to the new .xxx internet(s)

[Savant]

If any of you has ever hunted for a worthy domain name for your website, you've likely found that your first (and second, and third..) choices were taken in .com .net .org and even .us. Most of us have had to resort to using http://insanelylongandhardtorememberdomainnames.com or making up phoneticly pleasing nonsense words like.... volconvo.

Well as the domains are taken up, ICANN ( the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) has approved new domains to meet demand. Often the new domains have to do with the local of the site. I am sure many of you have notice the .uk sites you visit tend to be Bri'ish, the .fr sites tend to be en Francais, etc.

For many years, ICANN has considered creating domains for an industry that we all owe a bit of gratidute to - as it has been the undisputed driving force behind the internet and all of its related technolgies from file sharing to net meeting. Internet pr0nography. Rumors about a potential .xxx domain have been floating around for who knows how long.

Volconvo.xxx might be about to become available...

Unfortunately, much of the backbone of the "free" internet is owned by the not-so-free United States of America, and even though having xxx names would make adult sites easier for parents and other filters to identify, apparently the Fundies that rule us all feel that allowing it might be seen as tolerance of da pr0n.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5833764.html

So as usual the US is threatening to take our ball and go home.

[Dirty Name]

If the "pr0n" companies are willing to give up their dot.com URLs, then I might agree with this move. But if they are allowed to have legitimate domains as well as the XXX domains, then I am opposed to it.

The new domain actually makes it easier for kids to access porn than ever. Not only does it multiply the availability of web sites, it also makes them easier to find than before (not that it was difficult).

So, I'll take up this debate AGAINST the .xxx domain, UNLESS they are going to give up their legitimate .com address.

[Savant]

Quote by: dirty name The new domain actually makes it easier for kids to access porn than ever. Not only does it multiply the availability of web sites, it also makes them easier to find than before (not that it was difficult).

The number of domains available has no effect on the number of websites. If you are putting up a site, and the domain you want is unavailable, you will use a different domain. I've never heard of any web developer saying "Doh, it's taken! Oh well, back to pumping gas I guess..." And as far as making it easier... if you can block out an entire group of sites simply based on the xxx domain, that would be the least complicated method of internet censorship possible. How is having pr0nographic sites limited to being closely named to the non-pr0n sites a better idea.

Quote by: dirty name So, I'll take up this debate AGAINST the .xxx domain, UNLESS they are going to give up their legitimate .com address.

No one should be forced to give up their domain no matter how illegitimate you feel they are. This would just allow new adult site developers to be more upfront about their sites, and drasticly reduce the number of adult site developers who chose .com domains that are somewhat ambiguous. I'm sure a lot of adult sites would migrate over to the xxx domain just to reduce liabilties, but none should be forced to. Then it becomes a slippery slope. If you run a forum where people might post a non-worksafe pic, should you be forced to move to a xxx domain?

[Dirty Name]

The number of domains available has no effect on the number of websites. If you are putting up a site, and the domain you want is unavailable, you will use a different domain. I've never heard of any web developer saying "Doh, it's taken! Oh well, back to pumping gas I guess..." And as far as making it easier... if you can block out an entire group of sites simply based on the xxx domain, that would be the least complicated method of internet censorship possible. How is having pr0nographic sites limited to being closely named to the non-pr0n sites a better idea.

OK, then what's the point of .xxx and why are you so giddy about it? Reading your last post, there isn't really a NEED for it. So why legitimize the filthy stuff by giving it it's own neighborhood? I don't see the advantage to general public.

[Krazyjuice]

The advantage to the general public is that xxx domains will be a whole lot easier for parents and public access terminals to filter out.

Last I checked, porn is LEGAL, therefore it is legit. Having its own domain isn't going to legitimize anything that already isn't. Shows how backassword our country is when our president denounces this sort of thing.

[edit]There may not be a NEED for this sort of thing, but I certainly think there is a demand for it.[/edit]

[Savant]

Well.. ok lets say you are looking for a domain for your pr0n site.
Meanwhile, someone is looking for a domain for their tax services site.

One of you has barely legal naked boobies.
The other has barely legal tax write offs.

You both look up barelylegal.* and find .com available. It's first come first serve, so one of you gets pwned, has to make a new logo, have another meeting to hash out potential domain names.

Turns out you get pwned. No biggie, you regroup and find jumponit.* has .com available. So you get that one approved and buy it up, breaking the heart of a beat-boxer who was about to purchase the same domain for a site where he could audio streams of his skills.

OOOOOORRRRRRR

You both look up barelylegal.* and find .com AND .xxx available. You, being proud of your pr0n, hapily opt for the xxx. Meanwhile the tax team gets the domain they wanted and embrace each other in celebration.

[Savant]

Quote by: Krazyjuice The advantage to the general public is that xxx domains will be a whole lot easier for parents and public access terminals to filter out. Last I checked, porn is LEGAL, therefore it is legit. Having its own domain isn't going to legitimize anything that already isn't. Shows how backassword our country is when our president denounces this sort of thing. [edit]There may not be a NEED for this sort of thing, but I certainly think there is a demand for it.[/edit]

Not to mention the benefit to pr0n folk. Having an xxx domain might reduce liabilty, and help keep kids that are too young to PAY from wasting your bandwidth. If I had me a pr0n site, I would use xxx domains.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Bush si wrong here. I say put all porn on .xxx

And it's a good thing. You can set your comp up to block all .xxx sites... track what your kids are doing easier...

[Rave7pt0]

Quote by: Savant Well.. ok lets say you are looking for a domain for your pr0n site. Meanwhile, someone is looking for a domain for their tax services site. One of you has barely legal naked boobies. The other has barely legal tax write offs. You both look up barelylegal.* and find .com available. It's first come first serve, so one of you gets pwned, has to make a new logo, have another meeting to hash out potential domain names. Turns out you get pwned. No biggie, you regroup and find jumponit.* has .com available. So you get that one approved and buy it up, breaking the heart of a beat-boxer who was about to purchase the same domain for a site where he could audio streams of his skills. OOOOOORRRRRRR You both look up barelylegal.* and find .com AND .xxx available. You, being proud of your pr0n, hapily opt for the xxx. Meanwhile the tax team gets the domain they wanted and embrace each other in celebration.

That's not what happens though. Who do you think will own nike.xxx? coke.xxx? Businesses and sites tend to buy up all available tlds on their domain.

[Krazyjuice]

Mabye those companies will feature sexy swimsuit models rocking their products on those sites. Who knows?

[Chris]

One word.

Lame

And dont they have anything better to do? There is a war going on right? Why are we worrying about the spread of porn on the net?

[JBG]

I agree with setting up "xxx" and requiring all qualifying sites to adopt it.

[Jack]

No one can require anyone to adopt a specific domain. Domains are chosen, not assigned.

[UmSamir]

The logic that so consistently eludes the fundies is again hard at work.

Just as having a sound sex ed program in schools will "encourage" teens to have sex, an xxx domain will attract too much attention to porn!

Next, we'll have to get rid of that pesky 900 prefix in phone numbers. :rolleyes:

[UmSamir]

sorry, I pushed my little button too hard and got 2!

[Protostar]

This is nonsense. Who actually thinks this is going to stop kids from accessing porn? Most kids know a ton more about the computer than their parents and can quickly uninstall the parental control software which monitors the system. I know I knew alot more about the computer than did my folks. Personally I see porn as a good thing. It's a helluva lot safer than sex.

[Jack]

What sort of porn do you watch if you don't think women should be working? (porn actresses are working women, you know) Guess that only leaves gay porn. Enjoy!

[Krazyjuice]

High school corrupts children way more than porn. The kids who look at online porn are mostly nerds who couldn't get a girlfriend in the first place. The cool kids are the ones actually using daddy's money to rent hotel rooms for homecoming and prom nights driving high priced cars to drive their gold digging slutty girlfriends around. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but that's the way of life here for many Miami natives. I can't speak for rural & suburban america though.

[rbuchanan]

Quote by: Dirty Name If the "pr0n" companies are willing to give up their dot.com URLs, then I might agree with this move. But if they are allowed to have legitimate domains as well as the XXX domains, then I am opposed to it.

Why? What difference does it make?

Quote by: Dirty Name The new domain actually makes it easier for kids to access porn than ever. Not only does it multiply the availability of web sites, it also makes them easier to find than before (not that it was difficult).

It would obviously be far easier to configure a web browser to filter out sites from a top-level domain than a category of individual sites from a variety of top-level domains.

Quote by: Dirty Name So, I'll take up this debate AGAINST the .xxx domain, UNLESS they are going to give up their legitimate .com address.

I'm sure that's going to happen. Really, I am.

[rbuchanan]

Quote by: Dirty Name OK, then what's the point of .xxx and why are you so giddy about it? Reading your last post, there isn't really a NEED for it. So why legitimize the filthy stuff by giving it it's own neighborhood?

Because a .xxx top-domain would make categorization and individual filtering of porn much easier and more accessible.

Quote by: Dirty Name I don't see the advantage to general public.

They'll have easier access and/or means to filter out porn. Now, explain to me why a top-level domain needs to provide any advantage to the public as a whole.