Time to give up the ghost and start anew? It's approaching.

[Mr.Vicchio]

After reading, and re-reading the lastest crap out of the Supreme Court.. I am sick. Sick to my stomach, and perhaps a bit hell bent on taking out my anger.

America doesn't get it, we just lost something that makes even the worst fear of the Patriot Act look small in comparison... and people don't CARE!

The supreme court just gave away our rights to property for the "collective good"...

I have been telling my wife the revolutions coming, she thinks I am paranoid... but after this... were another step closer. I am a republican because I believe that the party is best suited for defending US. But I haven't seen outrage over this decision, Bush's spokesman said if Emminant Domain were used ot take the Bush Ranch he'd "respect the rule of law".

F--- Bush. I am pissed to hell.

[The Dunedan]

Welcome to the ranks of the Perpetually Pissed. May I reccomend DSA's excellent American-made copy of the FN-FAL? Cheap magazines, 2MOA accuracy ( frequently less ), abundant parts, and great ergonomics. You'll want to install a cheap "Target style" safety, as the original is abit hard to reach. Oh, and I should prolly warn you; their in-house muzzle brake is damned effective, but noise/flare is a BITCH, so stock up on flash-retardant ammo and good ear-protection.

Welcome to the fight, Mr. V.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Dude Dunedan, you cannot KNOW how angry I am... and when I say F-Bush, I mean it this time. I may support many things he has done, but this has to go down, or were all f***ed

[PatrickHenry]

Hey Mr. Vicchio! That's what I been sayin' all along...Federal tyranny.

Don't you wish we still had leaders like this in the 21st century?
http://www.atgpress.com/inform/ab013.htm

Jefferson wrote, January 19, 1821:
"I am sensible of the inroads daily making by the Federal into the jurisdiction of its co-ordinate associates, the State governments. Its legislative and executive branches may sometimes err, but elections and dependence will bring them to rights. The judiciary branch is the instrument which, working like gravity, without intermission, is to press us at last into one consolidated mass."

On September 2, 1821, he wrote:

"To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions, is very dangerous doctrine indeed and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is 'boni judices est amplificare jurisdictionem,' and their power the more dangerous, as they are in office for life and not responsible as the other functionaries are to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots."

And again, on March 4, 1823, he wrote:

"There is no danger I apprehend so much as the consolidation of our government, by the noiseless and therefore unalarming instrumentality of the Supreme Court." (1)

Already in 1807-1808, soon after the Burr trial, attempts had been made in each branch of Congress to amend the Constitution so that all judges should hold office for a term of years and be removable by the President on address by two-thirds of both Houses. This proposition was supported by resolves of the Legislatures of Pennsylvania C

(1) On December 25, 1820, Jefferson had written to Thomas Ritchie: "The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working underground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric. They are construing our Constitution from a coordination of a general and special government to a general and supreme one alone .... Having found from experience that impeachment is an impracticable thing, a mere scare-crow, they consider themselves secure for life; they skulk from responsibility to public opinion, the only remaining hold on them, under a practice first introduced into England by Lord Mansfield. An opinion is huddled up in conclave, perhaps by a majority of one, delivered as if unanimous, and with the silent acquiescence of lazy or timid associates, by a crafty chief judge who sophisticates the law to his mind by the turn of his own reasoning.

[The Dunedan]

I remember being that mad...God, it was years ago. I've been so pissed off, for so long, I've almost forgotten what it feels like the first time you feel it boiling up inside you like that. Like acid in your veins.

I agree with your assesment, BTW. Things like the USA PATRIOT act, as abominable as they were/are, don't concretely effect enough people ( yet ) to get a critical mass of folks sufficiantly pissed. However, I remember a number of land-rights-related killings in the Midwest and New England a few years back; one fella took three cops down with him. THAT kind of thing gets peoples attention in a big way, and it has already begun to be abused. Sooner or later ( probably sooner ) some old-timer is gonna decide he'd rather shoot his way to infamy than let his land be taken from him...and from there on in, it'll just keep happening, over and over and over. Enough abuses like this one;
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3239024
and people will start killing and dying. If it happens enough, and publicly enough, this may very well be what starts that hellish ball rolling.

[Mr.Vicchio]

If I lived down there, I would be tempted to burn the Marina to the ground as protest.

This is disgusting. And yes PH, believe it or not, I have always believed taht but small steps are almost pointless now, the power of the Judiciary has gone from being something that could be reversed.. to one step from true tyrrany. We've always lived under a soft "tyrrany" but this...

[PatrickHenry]

Vicchio, if you are boiling hot, you need to get Vin Suprynowitz Send in the Waco Killers. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books
It'll turn you from a conservative into a libertarian overnite. I know. I was there. You don't have to be a conspiracy wackjob like me to go libertarian, ya know... :)

[Mr.Vicchio]

I have strong sympathies with thier goals, but that party is a disaster in organization.

I will check the book out though. And come 19 August... look for ways to protest.. do SOMETHING other then just post on line... I had plannedd ot trek to DC to protest Democrats, jsut because I could. Now.. I want to protest the entire government. There is little hope anymore in my mind of salvaging things. We have taken a mighty step towards tottal loss of control.. and 95% of the population doen't even know it.

[PatrickHenry]

I'm not a party member either. I'm talking about the political philosophy. I kinda favor Constitution Party more, if you remember. But as a basic primer for the philosophy, complete with stories to get your interest, you can't beat SITWK. Even the title is about injustice to a landowner and his response that they better send in the Waco killers, 'cause he ain't leavin'.

Lots of good stories...

And I have been reading Albert Nock (1935) tonite, online.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/nockoets1.html
Check this:

There appears to be a curious difficulty about exercising reflective thought upon the actual nature of an institution into which one was born and one's ancestors were born. One accepts it as one does the atmosphere; one's practical adjustments to it are made by a kind of reflex. One seldom thinks about the air until one notices some change, favourable or unfavourable, and then one's thought about it is special; one thinks about purer air, lighter air, heavier air, not about air. So it is with certain human institutions. We know that they exist, that they affect us in various ways, but we do not ask how they came to exist, or what their original intention was, or what primary function it is that they are actually fulfilling; and when they affect us so unfavourably that we rebel against them, we contemplate substituting nothing beyond some modification or variant of the same institution. Thus colonial America, oppressed by the monarchical State, brings in the republican State; Germany gives up the republican State for the Hitlerian State; Russia exchanges the monocratic State for the collectivist State; Italy exchanges the constitutionalist State for the "totalitarian" State.

It is interesting to observe that in the year 1935 the average individual's incurious attitude towards the phenomenon of the State is precisely what his attitude was towards the phenomenon of the Church in the year, say, 1500. The State was then a very weak institution; the Church was very strong. The individual was born into the Church, as his ancestors had been for generations, in precisely the formal, documented fashion in which he is now born into the State. He was taxed for the Church's support, as he now is for the State's support. He was supposed to accept the official theory and doctrine of the Church, to conform to its discipline, and in a general way to do as it told him; again, precisely the sanctions that the State now lays upon him. If he were reluctant or recalcitrant, the Church made a satisfactory amount of trouble for him, as the State now does. Notwithstanding all this, it does not appear to have occurred to the Church-citizen of that day, any more than it occurs to the State-citizen of the present, to ask what sort of institution it was that claimed his allegiance. There it was; he accepted its own account of itself, took it as it stood, and at its own valuation. Even when he revolted, fifty years later, he merely exchanged one form or mode of the Church for another, the Roman for the Calvinist, Lutheran, Zuinglian, or what not; again, quite as the modern State-citizen exchanges one mode of the State for another. He did not examine the institution itself, nor does the State-citizen today.

Are Americans such sheep? Or will we rise up in revulsion at this crap from the Court?

[m3talsmith_redu]

After reading, and re-reading the lastest crap out of the Supreme Court.. I am sick. Sick to my stomach, and perhaps a bit hell bent on taking out my anger.

America doesn't get it, we just lost something that makes even the worst fear of the Patriot Act look small in comparison... and people don't CARE!

The supreme court just gave away our rights to property for the "collective good"...

I have been telling my wife the revolutions coming, she thinks I am paranoid... but after this... were another step closer. I am a republican because I believe that the party is best suited for defending US. But I haven't seen outrage over this decision, Bush's spokesman said if Emminant Domain were used ot take the Bush Ranch he'd "respect the rule of law".

F--- Bush. I am pissed to hell.

Revolution is coming... when people finally have the guts to take it up. But look how many chances there are for revolution through peaceful means, yet no one cares enough to take it up.

Revolution is here... The Free State Project is a great chance for this; taking a mass of people who think the same politically, into a small state, New Hampshire, and making an impact. Once you can gain the state then you have a greater chance of gaining momentum for other states and eventually the nation. You should look into it if you are really serious about change; that and stop voting Republican, they've shown that they as much for Big Government as the Democrats.

Revolution can be started now... in even the smallest increments. Whether you're willing to pick up your courage and do something about it is entirely up to you.

[m3talsmith_redu]

I'm not advocating Libertarian party membership either. I'm sick of party politics. I'm just suggesting the ideals, and voting for someone other than the major parties. I'd love to see all the minor parties through together into one party for one election, to see what they can really do.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Ideas I can handle, the GOP all ready lost my vote in 2006 (though on a case by case basis depending on where I am living at the time state/local government elections I may vote for individuals because that's our only real power) and my money. An dI urge others to do the same.