Homosexuality, immoral, un-natural, or just misunderstood?

[IndieC]

I think that this topic is quite relevant, in the wake of the Pope's death, and with all these issues that have cropped up over the past years in the US of gay priests... what is your view?

By the way: in the poll, you can post more than one answer...

[James]

Homosexuality is gross first of all, it's immoral, maybe a psychological problem. It's a slap in the face of God for disrespecting Him and the way He intended humans to do. It's a sin and no homosexual can truly know God and His son, Jesus Christ.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: James Homosexuality is gross first of all, it's immoral, maybe a psychological problem. It's a slap in the face of God for disrespecting Him and the way He intended humans to do. It's a sin and no homosexual can truly know God and His son, Jesus Christ.

Guess god fucked up when he built gays then. How sloppy.

[IndieC]

Quote by: James Homosexuality is gross first of all, it's immoral, maybe a psychological problem. It's a slap in the face of God for disrespecting Him and the way He intended humans to do. It's a sin and no homosexual can truly know God and His son, Jesus Christ.

Wow... that's funny you know, because no-one has voted to say that it was immoral yet... Even funnier, Christians are forced to accept anyone, and to be helpful to anyone, and to respect anyone, whether they be homosexual or not. As for no homosexual truly being able to know God or Jesus Christ, i think different. As a christian, i believe that God will not test you beyond you ability to be tested. You will not be tempted beyond your ability to resist temptation. As one of my evangelical friends said today, in the end homosexuals, once they come into true contact with God, will realise that it is a test, and will try to their utmost, and eventually succeed, in overcoming this "handicap", as some would term it. For that reson, i think it is wrong to segregate them in the way that you have, simply because they can't really help it, unless they try very hard, and even then, sometimes nothing can be done. It is a stronger test of faith than any heterosexual could undergo, and for that i respect any homosexual who chooses to believe in God, and who intends to reject this temptation God has, in a sense, "cursed" him with.

[Mia]

How about immoral, unnatural, and a psychological problem, however no more immoral than pre-marital sex, and no more unnatural or psychologically problematic than many things we tolerate?

Seriously, though. It's unnatural, but then it's not. It's a natuarally recurring anomoly in roughly 10% of the population, as are many things. Some diseases, mental issues, enourmous intelligence or talent. There are good, bad, and neutral 'unnatural' anomolies that are clearly built in by nature, due to their continuous appearance without regard to anything specific in genetics, etc. to have caused it.

[Chris the Chees]

How is it remotley immoral? Does it harm anyone else? No, thus it is not remotly immoral.

[IndieC]

and thus, no-one has voted immoral, although some people seem to have thought that way... I like your definition Mia, it sort of pins it down in my opinion... I am actually quite surprised that so many people have voted unnatural, as it can be disproved almost without effort. It does, after all, occur in nature, and so is thus natural. I would like to remind everyone , you can actually vote on two answers if you so chose, so if you believe it to be natural and a psychological problem, you can vote both.

[Mia]

Quote by: Chris the Chees How is it remotley immoral? Does it harm anyone else? No, thus it is not remotly immoral.

For those that use religious guides for thir morals, it is. Although, as I have mentioned, so is pre-marital sex but we're not out stringing up all the fornicaters.

[IndieC]

Only some religious guides are against pre-maritial sex... other ones aren't against it...

[Mia]

The three major religions are. Silly of me to make t sound like all religions are....there is an entire religion BASED on sex.

[IndieC]

No, not all Christian faiths are... The United Reformed Church believes in sex before marriage, for example. So there are factions within the thre major religions which aren't.

[SuperChief]

You are, of course, correct, IndieC, but the generally accepted standard of the Christian faith, would you agree is that homosexual behavior is immoral.

[SuperChief]

Quote by: Mia For those that use religious guides for thir morals, it is. Although, as I have mentioned, so is pre-marital sex but we're not out stringing up all the fornicaters.

Mia, are you out stringing up homosexuals?

And who is the "we?" Are you liimiting the "we" to the United States? Since Benedict the XVI is the pope of the entire Catholic Church (and that was the supposed timliness connection to this thread), it would seem that he represents a lot broader area of the world. And, my understanding is that there are a number of places (especially in Islamic-controlled regions) where those engaged in pre-marital sex are "strung up." Be that as it may, what direct relation does that have to the issue of how people perceive homosexual behavior? At least in generally accepted terms, it is immoral to tell a lie, is it not?

[xshakes]

Homosexuality is natural it has been observed in other animals (dophines, dogs, etc...) The immoral aspect of sex in general is just the basic promiscuity of people that sleep requardless of the consequence of their acts.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: Mia The three major religions are. Silly of me to make t sound like all religions are....there is an entire religion BASED on sex.

Excuse me? Who is that? Do you have an address? I feel a conversion coming on...

[Osborn F Enready]

Homosexuality is observed in wild species of animals, as well as domesticated animals. Homosexuality has been documented and observed in the human race for almost as far back as we have reported history. The thing to remember is that all gays, are also human beings, who are born with the same inalienable rights, whether or not their government decides to RECOGNIZE those rights or not. It is the individual who is discriminated against, and each individual must take it upon themselves to act independently or in unison with fellow people who feel the same in protecting their rights, from all others, whether in government or the private sector.

Remember, this country was designed to have "Liberty and Justice FOR ALL", not just the select few the current politicians favor, though it sometimes appears that way.

People can be blinded by religion, as easily as they can be blinded by hate. The only thing worth fighting for is equal rights for all.

[Mia]

Quote by: G. Adams Excuse me? Who is that? Do you have an address? I feel a conversion coming on...

You haven't heard of the Kama Sutra? Go to India. You will find orgies in their 'church'.

[Mia]

Quote by: SuperChief Mia, are you out stringing up homosexuals? And who is the "we?" Are you liimiting the "we" to the United States? Since Benedict the XVI is the pope of the entire Catholic Church (and that was the supposed timliness connection to this thread), it would seem that he represents a lot broader area of the world. And, my understanding is that there are a number of places (especially in Islamic-controlled regions) where those engaged in pre-marital sex are "strung up." Be that as it may, what direct relation does that have to the issue of how people perceive homosexual behavior? At least in generally accepted terms, it is immoral to tell a lie, is it not?

I'm just making a comparison. The two are equally immoral IMO, but while churches may speak out against pre-marital sex, you don't see the social pressure against it like you do homosexuality.

Even in the countries that still pusnish women for it, it's only women. So it has more to do with their rules for woman than morality, or they'd put the men in trouble too.

[Runa216]

oooh, a gay debate! I love these!

personally, I think we need more gay people in this world. it would help the overpopulation problem a bit, and perhaps if there were more gay people in positions of power, then it would be more accepted. did anyone try to kill alexander the great because of his homosexuality? not that I know of. (I may be wrong) you see, those in power determine what is right and what is wrong, and the media enforces social norms and trends......I like to think for myself, and not let others influence my decisions, who's with me?

Runa

[Rave7pt0]

Quote by: Mia You haven't heard of the Kama Sutra? Go to India. You will find orgies in their 'church'.

Mmmmm.... not quite, Mia. Kama Sutra isn't a religious text, it's a guide to courtship. I think you're talking about the Tantric practices of some Hindu people. Tantra is the exploration of the taboo to shed light on the goodness... it's like a Yin Yang kind of thing. They do forbidden (often sexual) things to bring them closer to understanding the things one SHOULD do.