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castille · Feb 2, 2004, 07:47 am

Today at soccer practice one of the guys on my team got into a fight with an opponent, and we ended up in a giant (and SERIOUS) brawl. Two guys almost suffocated to death and we had 4 guys seeing a doctor. And of course, at least half a pack of nosebleeds/bruises/assorted injuries. Nobody even remembered what the issue was about. We did sort of win the fight before it got broken up

You pacifists, greenpeace, socialists, and other peace-loving types are gonna have a hard time making everyone love each other....

tusaki · Feb 2, 2004, 08:17 am

Well, for starters, there is no such thing as Absolute Love ™.

But you do agree that this fight was unneccesary. Basicly 2 people got into an argument and the rest pitched in to fight for their 'side' and the original argument didn't matter any more.

This reminds me of the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Both are unneccesary, foolish and stupid if you really think about it.

Some kind of long haired hippie preaching love won't convince anyone, but teaching people how to deal with their emotions might.

Man Against Time · Feb 2, 2004, 01:26 pm

Why was it foolish and stupid?

It could only be "wrong" to get in a fight if you think temporary little wounds to a man's body are something that should be absolutely avoided. If you are not a girl like that, you can laugh off something as harmless and spirit'ed as a good team brawl. It brings men closer together.

Sure you can deny it and cite all the brainwashing your school eagerly implanted in you, but a regular fist fight between two men will almost always make them respect each other and open doors to friendship. Whole groups of guys I have been friends with all over my state fall into this category. Many began as enemies, then got in a fight, which vented their animosity towards each other. This gives a sense of closure, like the wrongs of the past have been righted. Without this sense of closure, people will remain enemies forever.

tusaki · Feb 3, 2004, 08:43 am

The way he wrote it, it seemed to me it wasn't a "good team brawl". And yes, I do think it is unnessecary for anyone to inflict injury on anyone else. A regular fist fight will not make two 'enemies' suddenly hug and say 'I was wrong'. I thought sports were meant to take the place of fighting, so people can measure 'strength' in less lethal way. If you really want to use your fist, take up boxing or something. I seriously dont think it is 'normal' for people having to fight first to become friends later. My guess is, they just grew up. They fought when they were unsecure teenagers and 'grew up' and understood each other better later. Ow, and for the record, I dont think 'temporary little wounds' should be avoided at all costs (hey, sports are rough sometimes). But once two people start fighting, filled with rage, fear and hatred towards each other, you cannot tell me they always 'just' end up with 'temporary little wounds'.

eburchelli · Feb 3, 2004, 11:04 am

Fighting is for children and people paid to do it. Otherwise, fighting is senseless.

FC Mellon · Feb 3, 2004, 11:37 am

..while some of you are 'fighting on the field'...you don't mind if I partake in some 'lovemaking on the sidelines'...there is something about those cheerleaders that make me want to go...rah rah rah...sis boom bah...let the 'fighters unite'..and the 'lovers delight'...in the makings of their own pleasures.
p.s. ...of course no matter the intercouse one enjoys...don't forget to use your 'HEAD GEAR'....we wouldn't want any one to feel they would be taking 'unnecessary risks'...
...afterwards...we can all 'make up'...so there are no 'hard feelings'..ok?!?!
;?)

Suburbanite · Feb 3, 2004, 08:27 pm

Congrats, I LOVE a good brawl. Its a manly right of passage.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 3, 2004, 08:29 pm

Football (not soccer, tis a stupid name) is closely related to hooliganism in Europe (esp. UK). Not sure if you have them in US.

Suburbanite · Feb 3, 2004, 08:32 pm

hooligans or soccer?
We have both, though the hooligans are sort of second place to the massive amount of violent street gangs here.

castille · Feb 4, 2004, 06:28 am

Well it wasn't a "good fight", I don't think any of us respected each other at the end either. We still hate each other.

Not that its bad, stuff like this happens all the time. But well, like I said, thats the way people are - conflicts arise over stupid things, and no matter what happens, we'll always be like this!

Man Against Time · Feb 4, 2004, 09:29 am

It doesnt always have to be that way; no opinion about human nature can explain the weiners who have posted above about how wrong it is to fight.

Its easy to stop men from fighting. All you have to do is devote their lives from ages 5 or so through 18 to alienating them from their fathers (who are mostly worthless examples anyway), mix them with girls their whole life, teach them from every available outlet that a "good man" is just a sensitive neutered bitch, and then give them stupid and empty pressure valves like anime and the internet and computer games and weed to keep them busy. Its whats being done every day, and accounts for the existence of the aforementioned weiners.

Impenitent · Feb 4, 2004, 10:45 am

if you want to stop fights at soccer games, have the referees armed with machine guns... shoot the hooligans...

if you don't have the balls to stop it outright, let the boys be boys...

eburchelli · Feb 4, 2004, 11:59 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Man Against Time,)
It doesnt always have to be that way; no opinion about human nature can explain the weiners who have posted above about how wrong it is to fight.

Its easy to stop men from fighting. All you have to do is devote their lives from ages 5 or so through 18 to alienating them from their fathers (who are mostly worthless examples anyway), mix them with girls their whole life, teach them from every available outlet that a "good man" is just a sensitive neutered bitch, and then give them stupid and empty pressure valves like anime and the internet and computer games and weed to keep them busy. Its whats being done every day, and accounts for the existence of the aforementioned weiners.<hr size="1" /></blockquote> Don't be ridiculous. It's the woman who transmits aggression to her offspring, both male and female. Take a look at gangs.... how many of those youth have in-home fathers? Although girls make better wives, if they had an in-home father, few men make good husbands. It's just the nature of the beast.

Autolykos · Feb 12, 2004, 01:18 am

I think the reverse can happen as well. That is, two people get into a fight, and then when the fight is over, they hate each other even more.

damnrad · Feb 12, 2004, 03:37 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Today at soccer practice one of the guys on my team got into a fight with an opponent, and we ended up in a giant (and SERIOUS) brawl. Two guys almost suffocated to death and we had 4 guys seeing a doctor. And of course, at least half a pack of nosebleeds/bruises/assorted injuries. Nobody even remembered what the issue was about. We did sort of win the fight before it got broken up

You pacifists, greenpeace, socialists, and other peace-loving types are gonna have a hard time making everyone love each other....<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I guess so; but I'll sure stay away from soccer practice from now on. ;-)

But possibly aside from pacifists, I don't know who might think that we'll all love one another.

damnrad · Feb 12, 2004, 03:39 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tusaki,)
Well, for starters, there is no such thing as Absolute Love ™.

But you do agree that this fight was unneccesary. Basicly 2 people got into an argument and the rest pitched in to fight for their 'side' and the original argument didn't matter any more.

This reminds me of the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Both are unneccesary, foolish and stupid if you really think about it.

Some kind of long haired hippie preaching love won't convince anyone, but teaching people how to deal with their emotions might.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Huh? I see no connection. One was a silly fight that no one knows who started. The other is a conflict of land, sovereignty, and rights. Whatever side one takes, if one takes one, it is certainly about something.

tusaki · Feb 12, 2004, 06:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (damnrad,)
Huh? I see no connection. One was a silly fight that no one knows who started. The other is a conflict of land, sovereignty, and rights. Whatever side one takes, if one takes one, it is certainly about something.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

The connection was in the 'unneccesary, foolish and stupid' part :) The naive answer to the palestinian conflict is: palestians should stop suicide bombing and isreali's should stop making palestinian lives a living hell. I leave it as an exercise to the reader which side began or should stop first.

james? · Feb 13, 2004, 07:17 pm

Man Against Time: I love your views, man.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tusaki,)
The way he wrote it, it seemed to me it wasn't a "good team brawl". And yes, I do think it is unnessecary for anyone to inflict injury on anyone else. A regular fist fight will not make two 'enemies' suddenly hug and say 'I was wrong'. I thought sports were meant to take the place of fighting, so people can measure 'strength' in less lethal way. If you really want to use your fist, take up boxing or something. I seriously dont think it is 'normal' for people having to fight first to become friends later. My guess is, they just grew up. They fought when they were unsecure teenagers and 'grew up' and understood each other better later. Ow, and for the record, I dont think 'temporary little wounds' should be avoided at all costs (hey, sports are rough sometimes). But once two people start fighting, filled with rage, fear and hatred towards each other, you cannot tell me they always 'just' end up with 'temporary little wounds'.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
Fighting is for children and people paid to do it. Otherwise, fighting is senseless.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Or maybe it's fucking human nature? Maybe it's natural in that survival is the truest of all human desires?

"Violence isn't always evil. What's evil is the infatuation with violence."
--Jim Morrison

As far as human nature, I find anything among it completely healthy, and I oppose anything that intends to warp it.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
Football (not soccer, tis a stupid name) is closely related to hooliganism in Europe (esp. UK). Not sure if you have them in US.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Quit with the British superiority shit. Every country's worthless.

DarkRose33 · Feb 13, 2004, 08:33 pm

The human beast is just that...a beast. Those of you that do not understand that part of you give it power. I think it is perfectly fine to indulge your beast at times with a dive into the joys of violence and aggression. (as long as no one is permanenty hurt or victimized, i.e. involuntarally pushed into the fray.) I do agree that the fights at the soccor games are a bit childish. People need to grow up sometimes and learn how to maturely express and satisfy their agressions.

P.S. American Football is the neo-gladitorial ring.....glorious!!
I love Men!!

MASTERPEEVE · Mar 6, 2004, 06:17 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
Don't be ridiculous. It's the woman who transmits aggression to her offspring, both male and female. Take a look at gangs.... how many of those youth have in-home fathers? Although girls make better wives, if they had an in-home father, few men make good husbands. It's just the nature of the beast. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Most violent young males, studies have shown, are that way because they don't have a father in the home. This does NOT mean that the aggression is transferred from mother to offspring. That's a logical "false cause". The true answer lies in the LACK of a father figure. A young man who doesn't have another man to look up to feels isolated, abandoned, and misunderstood in his own home; the place where he's supposed to feel most comfortable. The ends up causing problems with rage, and oftentimes the young male will express that rage in destructive ways. Also, there's no telling exactly who the child will replace the missing father figure WITH, and this causes a mess of other problems.

Let me just quote something from Larry Elder's book "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America" to better convey my point:

"When a child hears his father's alarm go off, then hears the old man grunting when he gets up and heads off to a job, the kid learns. He learns that sometimes people have to do things they don't want to do in order to achieve a goal...that mature people do things they have to do rather than only the things they enjoy doing. A male child with an absent father learns other things, too. He sees his mom struggling to raise a family without any help from his father. He may perceive women as weak and grow to resent his dad, who appeared to "get away with" shouldering any responsibilities."

Did you know that most of the prison population in America consists of men who have come from fatherless homes?
-Chris

Feb 2, 2004, 07:47 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Today at soccer practice one of the guys on my team got into a fight with an opponent, and we ended up in a giant (and SERIOUS) brawl. Two guys almost suffocated to death and we had 4 guys seeing a doctor. And of course, at least half a pack of nosebleeds/bruises/assorted injuries. Nobody even remembered what the issue was about. We did sort of win the fight before it got broken up You pacifists, greenpeace, socialists, and other peace-loving types are gonna have a hard time making everyone love each other.... Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 2, 2004, 08:17 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Well, for starters, there is no such thing as Absolute Love ™. But you do agree that this fight was unneccesary. Basicly 2 people got into an argument and the rest pitched in to fight for their 'side' and the original argument didn't matter any more. This reminds me of the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Both are unneccesary, foolish and stupid if you really think about it. Some kind of long haired hippie preaching love won't convince anyone, but teaching people how to deal with their emotions might. Hope & Dream

Feb 2, 2004, 01:26 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	Why was it foolish and stupid? It could only be "wrong" to get in a fight if you think temporary little wounds to a man's body are something that should be absolutely avoided. If you are not a girl like that, you can laugh off something as harmless and spirit'ed as a good team brawl. It brings men closer together. Sure you can deny it and cite all the brainwashing your school eagerly implanted in you, but a regular fist fight between two men will almost always make them respect each other and open doors to friendship. Whole groups of guys I have been friends with all over my state fall into this category. Many began as enemies, then got in a fight, which vented their animosity towards each other. This gives a sense of closure, like the wrongs of the past have been righted. Without this sense of closure, people will remain enemies forever. "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Feb 3, 2004, 08:43 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	The way he wrote it, it seemed to me it wasn't a "good team brawl". And yes, I do think it is unnessecary for anyone to inflict injury on anyone else. A regular fist fight will not make two 'enemies' suddenly hug and say 'I was wrong'. I thought sports were meant to take the place of fighting, so people can measure 'strength' in less lethal way. If you really want to use your fist, take up boxing or something. I seriously dont think it is 'normal' for people having to fight first to become friends later. My guess is, they just grew up. They fought when they were unsecure teenagers and 'grew up' and understood each other better later. Ow, and for the record, I dont think 'temporary little wounds' should be avoided at all costs (hey, sports are rough sometimes). But once two people start fighting, filled with rage, fear and hatred towards each other, you cannot tell me they always 'just' end up with 'temporary little wounds'. Hope & Dream

Feb 3, 2004, 08:29 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,467	Football (not soccer, tis a stupid name) is closely related to hooliganism in Europe (esp. UK). Not sure if you have them in US. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 3, 2004, 11:04 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	Fighting is for children and people paid to do it. Otherwise, fighting is senseless.

Feb 3, 2004, 11:37 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
FC Mellon Molten Ash Location: So Cal Posts: 51	..while some of you are 'fighting on the field'...you don't mind if I partake in some 'lovemaking on the sidelines'...there is something about those cheerleaders that make me want to go...rah rah rah...sis boom bah...let the 'fighters unite'..and the 'lovers delight'...in the makings of their own pleasures. p.s. ...of course no matter the intercouse one enjoys...don't forget to use your 'HEAD GEAR'....we wouldn't want any one to feel they would be taking 'unnecessary risks'... ...afterwards...we can all 'make up'...so there are no 'hard feelings'..ok?!?! ;?)

Feb 3, 2004, 08:27 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Congrats, I LOVE a good brawl. Its a manly right of passage.

Feb 3, 2004, 08:32 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	hooligans or soccer? We have both, though the hooligans are sort of second place to the massive amount of violent street gangs here.

Feb 4, 2004, 06:28 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Well it wasn't a "good fight", I don't think any of us respected each other at the end either. We still hate each other. Not that its bad, stuff like this happens all the time. But well, like I said, thats the way people are - conflicts arise over stupid things, and no matter what happens, we'll always be like this! Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 4, 2004, 09:29 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	It doesnt always have to be that way; no opinion about human nature can explain the weiners who have posted above about how wrong it is to fight. Its easy to stop men from fighting. All you have to do is devote their lives from ages 5 or so through 18 to alienating them from their fathers (who are mostly worthless examples anyway), mix them with girls their whole life, teach them from every available outlet that a "good man" is just a sensitive neutered bitch, and then give them stupid and empty pressure valves like anime and the internet and computer games and weed to keep them busy. Its whats being done every day, and accounts for the existence of the aforementioned weiners. "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Feb 4, 2004, 10:45 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	if you want to stop fights at soccer games, have the referees armed with machine guns... shoot the hooligans... if you don't have the balls to stop it outright, let the boys be boys... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 4, 2004, 11:59 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Man Against Time,) It doesnt always have to be that way; no opinion about human nature can explain the weiners who have posted above about how wrong it is to fight. Its easy to stop men from fighting. All you have to do is devote their lives from ages 5 or so through 18 to alienating them from their fathers (who are mostly worthless examples anyway), mix them with girls their whole life, teach them from every available outlet that a "good man" is just a sensitive neutered bitch, and then give them stupid and empty pressure valves like anime and the internet and computer games and weed to keep them busy. Its whats being done every day, and accounts for the existence of the aforementioned weiners.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Don't be ridiculous. It's the woman who transmits aggression to her offspring, both male and female. Take a look at gangs.... how many of those youth have in-home fathers? Although girls make better wives, if they had an in-home father, few men make good husbands. It's just the nature of the beast.

Feb 12, 2004, 01:18 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Autolykos Logical Phallussy Location: In your internets. Posts: 2,991	I think the reverse can happen as well. That is, two people get into a fight, and then when the fight is over, they hate each other even more. "I'd rather be free and alive!" -- Ron Paul Religion isn't the greatest threat to mankind -- authoritarianism is. The Anarcheion Zeitgeist

Feb 12, 2004, 03:37 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
damnrad Igneous Magma Posts: 264	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Today at soccer practice one of the guys on my team got into a fight with an opponent, and we ended up in a giant (and SERIOUS) brawl. Two guys almost suffocated to death and we had 4 guys seeing a doctor. And of course, at least half a pack of nosebleeds/bruises/assorted injuries. Nobody even remembered what the issue was about. We did sort of win the fight before it got broken up You pacifists, greenpeace, socialists, and other peace-loving types are gonna have a hard time making everyone love each other....<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I guess so; but I'll sure stay away from soccer practice from now on. ;-) But possibly aside from pacifists, I don't know who might think that we'll all love one another.

Feb 12, 2004, 03:39 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
damnrad Igneous Magma Posts: 264	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tusaki,) Well, for starters, there is no such thing as Absolute Love ™. But you do agree that this fight was unneccesary. Basicly 2 people got into an argument and the rest pitched in to fight for their 'side' and the original argument didn't matter any more. This reminds me of the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Both are unneccesary, foolish and stupid if you really think about it. Some kind of long haired hippie preaching love won't convince anyone, but teaching people how to deal with their emotions might.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Huh? I see no connection. One was a silly fight that no one knows who started. The other is a conflict of land, sovereignty, and rights. Whatever side one takes, if one takes one, it is certainly about something.

Feb 12, 2004, 06:00 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (damnrad,) Huh? I see no connection. One was a silly fight that no one knows who started. The other is a conflict of land, sovereignty, and rights. Whatever side one takes, if one takes one, it is certainly about something.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The connection was in the 'unneccesary, foolish and stupid' part :) The naive answer to the palestinian conflict is: palestians should stop suicide bombing and isreali's should stop making palestinian lives a living hell. I leave it as an exercise to the reader which side began or should stop first. Hope & Dream

Feb 13, 2004, 07:17 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
james? Molten Ash Location: Minnesota Posts: 84	Man Against Time: I love your views, man. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tusaki,) The way he wrote it, it seemed to me it wasn't a "good team brawl". And yes, I do think it is unnessecary for anyone to inflict injury on anyone else. A regular fist fight will not make two 'enemies' suddenly hug and say 'I was wrong'. I thought sports were meant to take the place of fighting, so people can measure 'strength' in less lethal way. If you really want to use your fist, take up boxing or something. I seriously dont think it is 'normal' for people having to fight first to become friends later. My guess is, they just grew up. They fought when they were unsecure teenagers and 'grew up' and understood each other better later. Ow, and for the record, I dont think 'temporary little wounds' should be avoided at all costs (hey, sports are rough sometimes). But once two people start fighting, filled with rage, fear and hatred towards each other, you cannot tell me they always 'just' end up with 'temporary little wounds'.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,) Fighting is for children and people paid to do it. Otherwise, fighting is senseless.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Or maybe it's fucking human nature? Maybe it's natural in that survival is the truest of all human desires? "Violence isn't always evil. What's evil is the infatuation with violence." --Jim Morrison As far as human nature, I find anything among it completely healthy, and I oppose anything that intends to warp it. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) Football (not soccer, tis a stupid name) is closely related to hooliganism in Europe (esp. UK). Not sure if you have them in US.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Quit with the British superiority shit. Every country's worthless.

Feb 13, 2004, 08:33 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
DarkRose33 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	The human beast is just that...a beast. Those of you that do not understand that part of you give it power. I think it is perfectly fine to indulge your beast at times with a dive into the joys of violence and aggression. (as long as no one is permanenty hurt or victimized, i.e. involuntarally pushed into the fray.) I do agree that the fights at the soccor games are a bit childish. People need to grow up sometimes and learn how to maturely express and satisfy their agressions. P.S. American Football is the neo-gladitorial ring.....glorious!! I love Men!! Never tread lightly...leave footprints.

Mar 6, 2004, 06:17 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
MASTERPEEVE Sedimentary Rock Location: L.A. County, Ca Posts: 4	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,) Don't be ridiculous. It's the woman who transmits aggression to her offspring, both male and female. Take a look at gangs.... how many of those youth have in-home fathers? Although girls make better wives, if they had an in-home father, few men make good husbands. It's just the nature of the beast. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Most violent young males, studies have shown, are that way because they don't have a father in the home. This does NOT mean that the aggression is transferred from mother to offspring. That's a logical "false cause". The true answer lies in the LACK of a father figure. A young man who doesn't have another man to look up to feels isolated, abandoned, and misunderstood in his own home; the place where he's supposed to feel most comfortable. The ends up causing problems with rage, and oftentimes the young male will express that rage in destructive ways. Also, there's no telling exactly who the child will replace the missing father figure WITH, and this causes a mess of other problems. Let me just quote something from Larry Elder's book "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America" to better convey my point: "When a child hears his father's alarm go off, then hears the old man grunting when he gets up and heads off to a job, the kid learns. He learns that sometimes people have to do things they don't want to do in order to achieve a goal...that mature people do things they have to do rather than only the things they enjoy doing. A male child with an absent father learns other things, too. He sees his mom struggling to raise a family without any help from his father. He may perceive women as weak and grow to resent his dad, who appeared to "get away with" shouldering any responsibilities." Did you know that most of the prison population in America consists of men who have come from fatherless homes? -Chris