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tman_ndsu08 · Apr 6, 2005, 09:20 pm

No law alone ever stops anything. It's up to the community to decide how strictly they would like to enforce it.

I think a lot of people talk big about pro life until their own daughter is in her room alone crying with a positive pregnancy test on the nightstand.

It's easier to comprehend all points of view on a situation when you've experienced both sides.

UmSamir · Apr 6, 2005, 09:26 pm

Where do you get that it's just another form of birth control? If it were, the same group of teens would be getting abortions over and over. Please provide a source if you've found info regarding this. :rolleyes:

syracusa · Apr 7, 2005, 03:28 pm

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Is this all people who claim to be "pro-choice" can do...name call and defame? I'm "pro-life" and I believe in choice too. However, I don't believe in MURDER. If you feel you can kill that unborn child in your womb because you have the "choice" and not feel remorse, you are a murderer. That is what murder is! Merriam-Webster Online defines murder as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought".

It is unlawful to kill an unborn child, therefor when you "choose" to kill your child you have chosen to commit murder.

It makes you feel better about yourself to discredit, defame and name call anyone who would tell you, "You are wrong!"...doesn't it? It doesn't change the fact you have performed a crime against man, a crime against nature and a crime against yourself.

Life IS about "choice", but being "pro-choice" does not necessarily constitute "life".

I said it once, I will say it again and i will not apologize for it:
You so-called pro-lifers truly ARE full of BS!

Your hypocrisy and blatant inconsistencies are responsible for triggering such answers from people like myself (answers that you so easily find "defamatory"; by the way, not my problem).

Other posters have asked you over and over again why you are not so passionate about making sure these non-aborted children get to actually have a LIFE after they are born, not just be given birth and thrown into hell?
In the middle of poverty, alcoholic parents and who knows what else? You never chose to answer.

Where is your passion for fighting against poverty? Against struggling? Against suffering? Against war? How many non-aborted, abandoned children have you fostered so far? Where is your passion for sex ed so that abortions can be prevented in the first place?

Or you are some kind of friggin' masochistic specimens who glorify struggle in life for struggle's sake (and happily push it onto others, petting them on the shoulder, and telling them that at least they got a chance to live? Huray! )

Is it just because this is how you choose to interpret the Bible? Or just because you think this is what God wants from people...? To suffer and struggle through life?

Look into your hearts, you rigid slaves of a dogma, and just see how much darkness and cruelty you have in there when you advocate life under ANY circumstances!
You can write one million "logical" pages about laws, fertilized eggs, cells and the start of life... using dry definitions from Webster.Your arguments and definitions will remain as dry and dogmatic as your hearts are.

In my book, THEY DO NOT MATTER! CAPISCI?

And I hope they do not matter in the books of many other people - so they can vote in large numbers and stop abominations like the ones you propose (making all abortions illegal). Then there would only be one tiny step left until you'd also advocate the mandatory birth of rape fetuses; in fact someone on the board already suggested it.

By the way, have you ever looked into the eyes of an abandoned, abused and God- forsaken child and gotten that feeling that this pour soul would have been so much better off if he'd never been born?

Yeah, I didn't think so because you wouldn't be capable of such emotions in the first place.

syracusa · Apr 7, 2005, 03:35 pm

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It's logical to kill someone in the defense of your life.

Defense of your life as in "I see him/her attacking me right now, Oh My God he/she 's moving this way"? ....or defense of your life as in "I think those guys over there don't like me very much, I think they may be plotting against me, I am gonna go do some pre-emptive strikes here and there...".

You, hypocrites...

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 7, 2005, 03:58 pm

I'm neither pro life nor pro choice, for the record.

I don't think pre emptive strikes are ever justified.

syracusa · Apr 7, 2005, 09:32 pm

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I'm neither pro life nor pro choice, for the record.

I don't think pre emptive strikes are ever justified.

Well, good.

lafrisch · Apr 7, 2005, 10:58 pm

If you want to make abortion illegal, does that imply that you are willing to ensure that males take responsibility for pregnancy prevention and fathers take responsibility for their own children? Many women are pressured into abortions because they know they will be unsupported as mothers. Abortion may be OK for some women, but it's a tragedy for those women who feel bonded to their babies long before birth and would rather keep and nurture their offspring. It seems too often women are pressured into adoption if they give birth. And when they are being pressured into adoption, even if a father wants to take responsiblity, he may be shoved out of the way in favor of unrelated people who want to adopt.

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 7, 2005, 11:31 pm

There is a thread about the Father's (lack of) rights.

MerlinsByte · Apr 19, 2005, 06:48 am

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In my book, THEY DO NOT MATTER! CAPISCI?

In your book it's OK to murder someone for convenience? I have already said in the case of rape or harm coming to the mother would be an exception? ie to allow abortion. True responsibility lies the fucker and the fuckee not the unborn child CAPISCI?

Gorgo · Apr 19, 2005, 07:13 am

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have already said in the case of rape (snip) would be an exception?

It's okay to murder a child just because you don't like the father?

MerlinsByte · Apr 19, 2005, 09:46 am

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By Gorgo.....It's okay to murder a child just because you don't like the father?

Merlin .......No, it is never "ok to murder" , but the child being a product of a crime, should be taken in consideration of the decision to abort. While I believe that any life is sacred be it animal or human we live in a society where our moral values must be tempered with compassion and common sense.

This is my belief and If I am wrong in the spiritual aspect, I will pay the price for it. Hopefully in the near future, any unwanted child or to be, or a child that is a product of rape , incest etc, may be brought to term in vitro and raised by the state.

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Gorgo · Apr 19, 2005, 10:28 am

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Merlin .......No, it is never "ok to murder" , but the child being a product of a crime, should be taken in consideration of the decision to abort.

If you think it's murder, and disagree with murder because of inconvenience, then certainly this is the best example of murder for convenience. If there is no danger to the mother and abortion is murder, then abortion is murder.

Even if there is a danger to the mother, who are you to murder a human being? If you have to kill someone to save someone it is still murdering an innocent person. There is no "tempering" murder.

Gorgo · Apr 19, 2005, 10:29 am

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raised by the state.

You mean raised by people who think that abortion is murder. Why would I want to pay for this? Use the money you make from getting tax breaks for religion to pay for it.

Rave7pt0 · Apr 19, 2005, 10:30 am

I'll bite the bullet and say that we shouldn't abort for rape. The child is innocent.

ladyJ · Nov 14, 2005, 03:01 pm

IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HAVE SEX THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES. HOWEVER IF YOU MAKE THE MISTAKE WHY NOT JUST PUT THEM UP FOR ADOPTION. MANY PEOPLE CAN NOT HAVE BABIES SO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO BE PARENTS. [quote]

Gentle · Nov 16, 2005, 01:19 pm

:) I think abortion is like murder because if life begin at conception not at birh,so when you have an abortion it like you end someone life the same as shooting somebody. It doesn't matter how you do it,it still ending somebody life cycle.

MicaP · Nov 20, 2005, 03:48 pm

God is the only one who should decide whether we live or die. A person who kills an unborn child is a murderer.

detty leo · Nov 20, 2005, 06:21 pm

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No legal abortion after 3 mo.

i agree with you after 3 months, is consider murder. think about it, after 3 months, you can actually hear the baby's heart beat. therefore, it's no longer a fetus but a human being.

SLORIA001 · Nov 20, 2005, 08:53 pm

i belive that if the girl and the guy have the mentality to be having sex, they are aware of all possible consequences. If they think they are old enough to have sex, they are old enough to deal with the responsibilities. The only reason a girl should have an abortion is if she was raped, other then that, there are many other possible solutions. For example, adoption.

daysi · Nov 22, 2005, 11:28 am

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As a teenager myself, I feel that it is the mother and the father's fault for getting into this situation. If they believe they are responsible enough to have sex they should also consider the possible consiquences. But many teenagers that I know only think of the moment and not of the future. But if that is the case, then they should not be having sex in the first place. Of course I can not go and tell them to stop because none of them would listen to me. I do not understand why older teenagers (16-19) are still considered children. 60 years ago they would be married and having children. Has our society taken away that many responsibilities that makes us children instead of adults? The girl who is pregnant is responsible enough to have sex but not bear the consiquences. That is what our society has allowd her to think, am I wrong?

No, you are not wrong. I agreed with your point of view. I think that if teenegers are mature enouht to make the desicion to have sex, they will be mature enough to deal with the outcome from having sex. Children are not responsible for their parents acts. They did not ask to come to this world, so therefore, they should be enought to look for a job and provide for their children not to leave to the government and all of us who pays taxes to support their children. Do not blame anybody else for their mistakes. They have to be responsible and deal with the consequences.

Apr 6, 2005, 09:26 pm	#62 (permalink) (top)
UmSamir self appointed Location: Florida Posts: 67	Where do you get that it's just another form of birth control? If it were, the same group of teens would be getting abortions over and over. Please provide a source if you've found info regarding this. :rolleyes: "People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history." -- George W. Bush come by my place http://www.capitolcrime.com

Apr 7, 2005, 10:58 pm	#67 (permalink) (top)
lafrisch Sedimentary Rock Posts: 1	If you want to make abortion illegal, does that imply that you are willing to ensure that males take responsibility for pregnancy prevention and fathers take responsibility for their own children? Many women are pressured into abortions because they know they will be unsupported as mothers. Abortion may be OK for some women, but it's a tragedy for those women who feel bonded to their babies long before birth and would rather keep and nurture their offspring. It seems too often women are pressured into adoption if they give birth. And when they are being pressured into adoption, even if a father wants to take responsiblity, he may be shoved out of the way in favor of unrelated people who want to adopt. Laurie A Mother's Song

Apr 19, 2005, 10:30 am	#74 (permalink) (top)
Rave7pt0 Igneous Magma Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 373	I'll bite the bullet and say that we shouldn't abort for rape. The child is innocent. Rave7pt0.net BlizzLink.com -- Blizzard Entertainment Tournaments and Clans

Nov 14, 2005, 03:01 pm	#75 (permalink) (top)
ladyJ Sedimentary Rock Posts: 3	IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HAVE SEX THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES. HOWEVER IF YOU MAKE THE MISTAKE WHY NOT JUST PUT THEM UP FOR ADOPTION. MANY PEOPLE CAN NOT HAVE BABIES SO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO BE PARENTS. [quote] Last edited by ladyJ; Nov 14, 2005 at 03:05 pm.

Nov 16, 2005, 01:19 pm	#76 (permalink) (top)
Gentle Gentlecurve Posts: 4	Do you agree or disagree? :) I think abortion is like murder because if life begin at conception not at birh,so when you have an abortion it like you end someone life the same as shooting somebody. It doesn't matter how you do it,it still ending somebody life cycle. Last edited by Gentle; Nov 16, 2005 at 01:22 pm. Reason: Opinion

Apr 6, 2005, 09:20 pm	#61 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	No law alone ever stops anything. It's up to the community to decide how strictly they would like to enforce it. I think a lot of people talk big about pro life until their own daughter is in her room alone crying with a positive pregnancy test on the nightstand. It's easier to comprehend all points of view on a situation when you've experienced both sides.

Apr 7, 2005, 03:58 pm	#65 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	I'm neither pro life nor pro choice, for the record. I don't think pre emptive strikes are ever justified.

Apr 7, 2005, 11:31 pm	#68 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	There is a thread about the Father's (lack of) rights.

Nov 20, 2005, 03:48 pm	#77 (permalink) (top)
MicaP Sedimentary Rock Posts: 1	God is the only one who should decide whether we live or die. A person who kills an unborn child is a murderer.

Nov 20, 2005, 08:53 pm	#79 (permalink) (top)
SLORIA001 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	i belive that if the girl and the guy have the mentality to be having sex, they are aware of all possible consequences. If they think they are old enough to have sex, they are old enough to deal with the responsibilities. The only reason a girl should have an abortion is if she was raped, other then that, there are many other possible solutions. For example, adoption.