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castille · Jan 31, 2004, 09:54 pm

Just to ease the seriousness of the political stuff....

Do you think guys are capable of purely platonic friendships with women?

I seem to notice that this is quite rare (especially if the woman is hot). I've rarely seen a guy wanting to be "just friends" with a woman. If shes worth something, a lot of girls' "guy friends" just want to get laid with her.

The only exceptions I have seen are for older people, or married people. Even with guys who already have a girl of their own, I've seen some guys get friendly with other women for getting laid, "just in case".

Is it my imagination, or does biology overcome all our instincts? :)

The notable exception is in a professional environment. There seems to be a sort of extreme "violation" to get involved with a business partner, or even a worker (although a worker dating a worker might be common I suppose). But then, you really aren't friends with anyone in a professional relationship.

Suburbanite · Jan 31, 2004, 11:55 pm

You make it seem as if it doesn't make sense that they don't want to be just friends. Of course they don't, why the hell would they?

Paavo · Feb 1, 2004, 10:08 am

heh, I don't think a man (or woman, probably) can just put his sexual drive aside when he chooses to. So in short, being "only friends" with a hot female isn't very likely. However, I don't think that the man will automatically actually think that they're going to have sex, I think it can stay on a "flirting level" and that does no harm. I think small, innocent flirting is there to allow us to test if we're still attractive in the opposite sex in ways that won't harm our possible ongoing relationships with someone else. Unless that life companion is very jealous.

Bleh, short version: I don't think one can turn off his penis even if he wanted to, but that doesn't mean he has to actually try and f*ck every woman he spends time with.

Plaything48 · Feb 1, 2004, 10:46 am

Its all biological baby, genetics and that.

Capitalist Pig · Feb 1, 2004, 11:20 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Do you think guys are capable of purely platonic friendships with women?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>From personal experience, yes.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Is it my imagination, or does biology overcome all our instincts? :)<hr size="1" /></blockquote>Actually, it is our instincts that lead us to treat all of our attractive female contacts as potential mates when we are single, or disconnected from a relationship that is probably not going your way. It is perfectly natural to desire the attention and affection of your female friends, guys just don't show it much. But I fear with the social conditioning these days, its become more manly to be less manly (?!?) and shun our basic instinctual drives, which is actually rather insulting. I've personally never understood people who said they could never have sex with their friends.

Downwiththestereotype · Feb 1, 2004, 03:24 pm

My best friend is a girl. I dont see her in a sexual way at all, shes more like a sister, someone I care about but am no intrested in having sex with.

I can garantee you that it is possible to be friends.

Its partly because of the circumstances I have rown up in, My best friend is a girl, alot of my other friends are girls, I was raised more by my mum than my dad (Hes a very decent man, but his job meant he was often abroad). I do enjoy the company of girls, and in relationships I seek companionship more than sex.
I cant say if this is true of all guys, infact its more than likely a minoriy, but I do know that a fair few of my male friends are likeminded in there attitude to girls.

I find the whole machoism culture kind of embarrising, but amusing diue to its raw patheticness.

Something that really does make my blood boil are Mens Magazines, the ones full of cars and scantaly clad women. As I said, I have alot of female friends, and to see women portraid in that way, for my supposed enjoyment, I find insulting.

Men and women can be friends, and anyone whose to ignorant to accept that can bugger off and wank over magazines for all I care.

Excuse my language
Peace

Plaything48 · Feb 1, 2004, 04:19 pm

A couple of questions to downwiththestereotypes.

1)Is this best friend of yours good looking
2)Did you grow up with most of the girls that your friendly with now?

Paavo · Feb 1, 2004, 04:37 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Downwiththestereotype,)

Men and women can be friends, and anyone whose to ignorant to accept that can bugger off and wank over magazines for all I care.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

So you've never thought what it'd be like to touch her a bit?

jk, but still...is she butt ugly?

jk2 ... but really... (STOP!)

And about wanking as it'd be a bad thing...you never masturbate?

*runs*

JustinGilmore · Feb 1, 2004, 11:35 pm

As the human race grows intellectually, I belive it will become more and more possible to control ones sexual drive. Today seems to be a 50/50 spit-some men cannot help but think of sex when their with a friend of the oppisite sex, however others can control themselves and respect the "friend" title. Though, will evolution allow us to ignore sex, ultimatly not. So the only real way would be through human intelligence, i guess.

Man Against Time · Feb 2, 2004, 01:13 pm

I sincerely believe that all interaction with the opposite sex outside of the family or a romantic relationship is fundamentally unhealthy and should be avoided whenever possible. Except for sexual reasons, I have zero desire to ever talk to a woman other than my own ever again.

People who say men can be friends with women, and vice versa, are, I believe, very clearly lying completely because that answer sounds oh so sophisticated and avant garde. Arent they just so enlightened? The absolute height of sensitivity, willing to ignore even their own fundamental sexual identity in the interest of "equality of the sexes." No one worth speaking to believes he can be in a relationship with a woman without sex becoming an issue. Even when the woman is very ugly and fat, the opposition will start from the other side, and the woman will just want the man. There is no question whatsoever, not a shred of room for doubt, that man and woman are inherently drawn to each other in a very sexual way.

There is a notable exception, and that is when both involved parties, the man and the woman, are entirely defeated, deflated, sexless, rootless, empty and conditioned automatons characteristic of the most degraded life forms in the modern world. You must have seen these worthless specimens of manhood who are really just women with penises. You must also have seen these worthless specimens of womanhood, who are really just angry children in women's bodies. In such a case, where the man is a neutered eunuch with no claims to anythign masculine at all, and the woman is an uppity and envious hard-hearted little wretch, "friendship" is possible without sex, but only because both involved parties have mortified their regular sex drive in favor of some sort of modern and perverse new sado-masochistic vent (like the self-defeating, humiliating relationships characteristic of those Emo queers with thick glasses, or the domineering and emasculating lordship crappy women enjoy over their own crushed men).

castille · Feb 4, 2004, 06:39 am

I've made female friends out of mutual interest (ie. we both enjoy doing the same sport, or we're both kids in business). But for guys, I noticed that you dont really need to enjoy the same things, just sharing a few drinks is good enough.

bluenadas · Feb 10, 2004, 02:08 am

I find it funny that someone stated the fact that he hates Men's Mags because they have scantly clad women in them. Funny thing is that most women read the Womens Mags and they too have barely dressed women in them. So tell me why it's wrong for a man to look at a womens body and it degrades women, when they do the same thing?

As for the topic in question? I think it's nearly impossible for a man and a women to be mutual friends and neither of them to think of the other in some sexual way. I don't like how all of you throw the man in as being the "evil-thinker", but I can assure you that women, in some capacity, do the same thing.

And as for me. I have many friends that happen to be girls, and to be honest with you, I'd rather have a relationship with one of them because they know me and I know them. And any good relationship is built on a friendship.

Man Against Time · Feb 10, 2004, 01:40 pm

Actually saying that you want the person and that your friendship is probably just a failed and prolonged courtship is more honest and mature, so it isnt "evil" of men, or negative in any way. The opposite is true; insisting there is no sexual element to co-ed friendships is a sign of dishonesty with yourself and a very ingrained and humbling domestication.

Feb 10, 2004, 01:49 pm

Isn't that a question that really can't be answered? Friends can be of any magnitude.. Are you asking if a man can be anything other than a man and a woman anything other than a woman? Yes, especially if you live in Boston, men and woman are good friends, the men there prefer other men.. I have to rub this Boston thing in, they are so off track out there, and anyone that sees different has no idea what they are thinking.. look at the whole picture, first gays, then animal sex then pedophiles will want a chance to do their thing.. like a pedophile, fags are sick individuals, we all have some issues, they just have perverted ones and they should be monitored and watched.. you all didn't forget about the priests and their sexual appetites did you? So, who thinks gay is ok?

Autolykos · Feb 12, 2004, 10:31 am

You know, with all this discussion of "manliness," I would have to say this...

"Manliness" is subjective.

Downwiththestereotype · Feb 12, 2004, 04:29 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,)
A couple of questions to downwiththestereotypes.

1)Is this best friend of yours good looking
2)Did you grow up with most of the girls that your friendly with now?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

1) I assume she is, she always does well with guys.
2) About half and half, Ive known some of them since before Puberty (which would be the dividing line im guessing) and some others ive met since.

Downwiththestereotype · Feb 12, 2004, 04:46 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Man Against Time,)
I sincerely believe that all interaction with the opposite sex outside of the family or a romantic relationship is fundamentally unhealthy and should be avoided whenever possible. Except for sexual reasons, I have zero desire to ever talk to a woman other than my own ever again.

People who say men can be friends with women, and vice versa, are, I believe, very clearly lying completely because that answer sounds oh so sophisticated and avant garde. Arent they just so enlightened? The absolute height of sensitivity, willing to ignore even their own fundamental sexual identity in the interest of "equality of the sexes." No one worth speaking to believes he can be in a relationship with a woman without sex becoming an issue. Even when the woman is very ugly and fat, the opposition will start from the other side, and the woman will just want the man. There is no question whatsoever, not a shred of room for doubt, that man and woman are inherently drawn to each other in a very sexual way.

There is a notable exception, and that is when both involved parties, the man and the woman, are entirely defeated, deflated, sexless, rootless, empty and conditioned automatons characteristic of the most degraded life forms in the modern world. You must have seen these worthless specimens of manhood who are really just women with penises. You must also have seen these worthless specimens of womanhood, who are really just angry children in women's bodies. In such a case, where the man is a neutered eunuch with no claims to anythign masculine at all, and the woman is an uppity and envious hard-hearted little wretch, "friendship" is possible without sex, but only because both involved parties have mortified their regular sex drive in favor of some sort of modern and perverse new sado-masochistic vent (like the self-defeating, humiliating relationships characteristic of those Emo queers with thick glasses, or the domineering and emasculating lordship crappy women enjoy over their own crushed men).<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Your attitudes towards relationships are clearly a result of sexual frustration. Your not a Eunuch..are you?

Whether it involves represing sexual desire or not, there are literally thousands of example of places where men and women can co-operate on a non sexual basis. The fact that people might have sexually oriantated day dreams in neither here nor there, people day dream all the time and its not always about sex, it could be about killing your boss or trivial things like what your going to have for tea, what music you fancy listening to, or it could be slightly surreal like living in space. Who Knows. The point is that just thinking about something dosent directly affect your behavior in the real world, infact most day dreams have no effect at all.

And it is absured to think that just because you might have the odd, idol sexual thought it can tottaly jepodise your ability to get along with the opposite sex. You need to relax. I know that in my case, its the fact that thinking about sex is not something that bothers me, therefore I really actually think about it. I also find if theres one perticular girl (or boy) your getting on with you dont see the others in any sexual light whatsoever

libertyminded · Feb 12, 2004, 04:56 pm

Men and women cannot be casual friends if there is any kind of sexual attraction between them. As long as you feel sexually attracted to someone you're going to have you're game face on around them so to speak. You're never going to be completely "yourself" because you've got your tail feathers up. If you can't be yourself then you're being false, even if it's ever so slightly. All relationships are based upon trust weather you're talking about friends or lovers. As long as you've got that little lie in your behavior, there will never be true trust between two people, and thus never true friendship.

lcswoosh · Feb 12, 2004, 05:41 pm

Of COURSE! I'm technically a guy, I have the anatomy, anyway. I have plenty of female friends. I just happen to be attracted to my own sex..

Pyackog · Feb 12, 2004, 05:50 pm

You can actually be friends with someone AND want to screw them...the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

But also, it is possible for guys and girls to be friends with no one wanting to sleep with the other (although I must admit it is much easier with an ugly woman). We are friends with people for many reasons and woman are just as capable of satisfying those reasons as men are.

Jan 31, 2004, 09:54 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Just to ease the seriousness of the political stuff.... Do you think guys are capable of purely platonic friendships with women? I seem to notice that this is quite rare (especially if the woman is hot). I've rarely seen a guy wanting to be "just friends" with a woman. If shes worth something, a lot of girls' "guy friends" just want to get laid with her. The only exceptions I have seen are for older people, or married people. Even with guys who already have a girl of their own, I've seen some guys get friendly with other women for getting laid, "just in case". Is it my imagination, or does biology overcome all our instincts? :) The notable exception is in a professional environment. There seems to be a sort of extreme "violation" to get involved with a business partner, or even a worker (although a worker dating a worker might be common I suppose). But then, you really aren't friends with anyone in a professional relationship. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 1, 2004, 10:46 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	Its all biological baby, genetics and that. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 1, 2004, 11:20 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Capitalist Pig Market Anarchist Location: United States Posts: 650	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Do you think guys are capable of purely platonic friendships with women?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>From personal experience, yes. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Is it my imagination, or does biology overcome all our instincts? :)<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Actually, it is our instincts that lead us to treat all of our attractive female contacts as potential mates when we are single, or disconnected from a relationship that is probably not going your way. It is perfectly natural to desire the attention and affection of your female friends, guys just don't show it much. But I fear with the social conditioning these days, its become more manly to be less manly (?!?) and shun our basic instinctual drives, which is actually rather insulting. I've personally never understood people who said they could never have sex with their friends. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te Fortuna sinet.

Feb 1, 2004, 03:24 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Downwiththestereotype Molten Ash Location: somwhere in the UK Posts: 38	My best friend is a girl. I dont see her in a sexual way at all, shes more like a sister, someone I care about but am no intrested in having sex with. I can garantee you that it is possible to be friends. Its partly because of the circumstances I have rown up in, My best friend is a girl, alot of my other friends are girls, I was raised more by my mum than my dad (Hes a very decent man, but his job meant he was often abroad). I do enjoy the company of girls, and in relationships I seek companionship more than sex. I cant say if this is true of all guys, infact its more than likely a minoriy, but I do know that a fair few of my male friends are likeminded in there attitude to girls. I find the whole machoism culture kind of embarrising, but amusing diue to its raw patheticness. Something that really does make my blood boil are Mens Magazines, the ones full of cars and scantaly clad women. As I said, I have alot of female friends, and to see women portraid in that way, for my supposed enjoyment, I find insulting. Men and women can be friends, and anyone whose to ignorant to accept that can bugger off and wank over magazines for all I care. Excuse my language Peace Fear is your only god. Downwiththestereotype.

Feb 1, 2004, 04:19 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	A couple of questions to downwiththestereotypes. 1)Is this best friend of yours good looking 2)Did you grow up with most of the girls that your friendly with now? A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Jan 31, 2004, 11:55 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	You make it seem as if it doesn't make sense that they don't want to be just friends. Of course they don't, why the hell would they?

Feb 1, 2004, 10:08 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	heh, I don't think a man (or woman, probably) can just put his sexual drive aside when he chooses to. So in short, being "only friends" with a hot female isn't very likely. However, I don't think that the man will automatically actually think that they're going to have sex, I think it can stay on a "flirting level" and that does no harm. I think small, innocent flirting is there to allow us to test if we're still attractive in the opposite sex in ways that won't harm our possible ongoing relationships with someone else. Unless that life companion is very jealous. Bleh, short version: I don't think one can turn off his penis even if he wanted to, but that doesn't mean he has to actually try and f*ck every woman he spends time with.

Feb 1, 2004, 04:37 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Downwiththestereotype,) Men and women can be friends, and anyone whose to ignorant to accept that can bugger off and wank over magazines for all I care. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> So you've never thought what it'd be like to touch her a bit? jk, but still...is she butt ugly? jk2 ... but really... (STOP!) And about wanking as it'd be a bad thing...you never masturbate? runs

Feb 1, 2004, 11:35 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
JustinGilmore Molten Ash Location: US, California Posts: 44	As the human race grows intellectually, I belive it will become more and more possible to control ones sexual drive. Today seems to be a 50/50 spit-some men cannot help but think of sex when their with a friend of the oppisite sex, however others can control themselves and respect the "friend" title. Though, will evolution allow us to ignore sex, ultimatly not. So the only real way would be through human intelligence, i guess. ...weird

Feb 2, 2004, 01:13 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	I sincerely believe that all interaction with the opposite sex outside of the family or a romantic relationship is fundamentally unhealthy and should be avoided whenever possible. Except for sexual reasons, I have zero desire to ever talk to a woman other than my own ever again. People who say men can be friends with women, and vice versa, are, I believe, very clearly lying completely because that answer sounds oh so sophisticated and avant garde. Arent they just so enlightened? The absolute height of sensitivity, willing to ignore even their own fundamental sexual identity in the interest of "equality of the sexes." No one worth speaking to believes he can be in a relationship with a woman without sex becoming an issue. Even when the woman is very ugly and fat, the opposition will start from the other side, and the woman will just want the man. There is no question whatsoever, not a shred of room for doubt, that man and woman are inherently drawn to each other in a very sexual way. There is a notable exception, and that is when both involved parties, the man and the woman, are entirely defeated, deflated, sexless, rootless, empty and conditioned automatons characteristic of the most degraded life forms in the modern world. You must have seen these worthless specimens of manhood who are really just women with penises. You must also have seen these worthless specimens of womanhood, who are really just angry children in women's bodies. In such a case, where the man is a neutered eunuch with no claims to anythign masculine at all, and the woman is an uppity and envious hard-hearted little wretch, "friendship" is possible without sex, but only because both involved parties have mortified their regular sex drive in favor of some sort of modern and perverse new sado-masochistic vent (like the self-defeating, humiliating relationships characteristic of those Emo queers with thick glasses, or the domineering and emasculating lordship crappy women enjoy over their own crushed men). "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Feb 4, 2004, 06:39 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	I've made female friends out of mutual interest (ie. we both enjoy doing the same sport, or we're both kids in business). But for guys, I noticed that you dont really need to enjoy the same things, just sharing a few drinks is good enough. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 10, 2004, 02:08 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
bluenadas Sedimentary Rock Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 14	I find it funny that someone stated the fact that he hates Men's Mags because they have scantly clad women in them. Funny thing is that most women read the Womens Mags and they too have barely dressed women in them. So tell me why it's wrong for a man to look at a womens body and it degrades women, when they do the same thing? As for the topic in question? I think it's nearly impossible for a man and a women to be mutual friends and neither of them to think of the other in some sexual way. I don't like how all of you throw the man in as being the "evil-thinker", but I can assure you that women, in some capacity, do the same thing. And as for me. I have many friends that happen to be girls, and to be honest with you, I'd rather have a relationship with one of them because they know me and I know them. And any good relationship is built on a friendship. Liberty in your Lifetime

Feb 10, 2004, 01:40 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	Actually saying that you want the person and that your friendship is probably just a failed and prolonged courtship is more honest and mature, so it isnt "evil" of men, or negative in any way. The opposite is true; insisting there is no sexual element to co-ed friendships is a sign of dishonesty with yourself and a very ingrained and humbling domestication. "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Feb 10, 2004, 01:49 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
CitizenCOP Guest Posts: n/a	Isn't that a question that really can't be answered? Friends can be of any magnitude.. Are you asking if a man can be anything other than a man and a woman anything other than a woman? Yes, especially if you live in Boston, men and woman are good friends, the men there prefer other men.. I have to rub this Boston thing in, they are so off track out there, and anyone that sees different has no idea what they are thinking.. look at the whole picture, first gays, then animal sex then pedophiles will want a chance to do their thing.. like a pedophile, fags are sick individuals, we all have some issues, they just have perverted ones and they should be monitored and watched.. you all didn't forget about the priests and their sexual appetites did you? So, who thinks gay is ok?

Feb 12, 2004, 10:31 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Autolykos Logical Phallussy Location: In your internets. Posts: 2,991	You know, with all this discussion of "manliness," I would have to say this... "Manliness" is subjective. "I'd rather be free and alive!" -- Ron Paul Religion isn't the greatest threat to mankind -- authoritarianism is. The Anarcheion Zeitgeist

Feb 12, 2004, 04:29 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Downwiththestereotype Molten Ash Location: somwhere in the UK Posts: 38	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,) A couple of questions to downwiththestereotypes. 1)Is this best friend of yours good looking 2)Did you grow up with most of the girls that your friendly with now?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> 1) I assume she is, she always does well with guys. 2) About half and half, Ive known some of them since before Puberty (which would be the dividing line im guessing) and some others ive met since. Fear is your only god. Downwiththestereotype.

Feb 12, 2004, 04:46 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Downwiththestereotype Molten Ash Location: somwhere in the UK Posts: 38	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Man Against Time,) I sincerely believe that all interaction with the opposite sex outside of the family or a romantic relationship is fundamentally unhealthy and should be avoided whenever possible. Except for sexual reasons, I have zero desire to ever talk to a woman other than my own ever again. People who say men can be friends with women, and vice versa, are, I believe, very clearly lying completely because that answer sounds oh so sophisticated and avant garde. Arent they just so enlightened? The absolute height of sensitivity, willing to ignore even their own fundamental sexual identity in the interest of "equality of the sexes." No one worth speaking to believes he can be in a relationship with a woman without sex becoming an issue. Even when the woman is very ugly and fat, the opposition will start from the other side, and the woman will just want the man. There is no question whatsoever, not a shred of room for doubt, that man and woman are inherently drawn to each other in a very sexual way. There is a notable exception, and that is when both involved parties, the man and the woman, are entirely defeated, deflated, sexless, rootless, empty and conditioned automatons characteristic of the most degraded life forms in the modern world. You must have seen these worthless specimens of manhood who are really just women with penises. You must also have seen these worthless specimens of womanhood, who are really just angry children in women's bodies. In such a case, where the man is a neutered eunuch with no claims to anythign masculine at all, and the woman is an uppity and envious hard-hearted little wretch, "friendship" is possible without sex, but only because both involved parties have mortified their regular sex drive in favor of some sort of modern and perverse new sado-masochistic vent (like the self-defeating, humiliating relationships characteristic of those Emo queers with thick glasses, or the domineering and emasculating lordship crappy women enjoy over their own crushed men).<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Your attitudes towards relationships are clearly a result of sexual frustration. Your not a Eunuch..are you? Whether it involves represing sexual desire or not, there are literally thousands of example of places where men and women can co-operate on a non sexual basis. The fact that people might have sexually oriantated day dreams in neither here nor there, people day dream all the time and its not always about sex, it could be about killing your boss or trivial things like what your going to have for tea, what music you fancy listening to, or it could be slightly surreal like living in space. Who Knows. The point is that just thinking about something dosent directly affect your behavior in the real world, infact most day dreams have no effect at all. And it is absured to think that just because you might have the odd, idol sexual thought it can tottaly jepodise your ability to get along with the opposite sex. You need to relax. I know that in my case, its the fact that thinking about sex is not something that bothers me, therefore I really actually think about it. I also find if theres one perticular girl (or boy) your getting on with you dont see the others in any sexual light whatsoever Fear is your only god. Downwiththestereotype.

Feb 12, 2004, 04:56 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
libertyminded Molten Ash Location: Seattle, Washington USA Posts: 69	Men and women cannot be casual friends if there is any kind of sexual attraction between them. As long as you feel sexually attracted to someone you're going to have you're game face on around them so to speak. You're never going to be completely "yourself" because you've got your tail feathers up. If you can't be yourself then you're being false, even if it's ever so slightly. All relationships are based upon trust weather you're talking about friends or lovers. As long as you've got that little lie in your behavior, there will never be true trust between two people, and thus never true friendship. "Any man willing to trade freedom for security deserves neither." -Benjamin Franklin

Feb 12, 2004, 05:41 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
lcswoosh Backed by WMD Location: Iowa Posts: 34	Of COURSE! I'm technically a guy, I have the anatomy, anyway. I have plenty of female friends. I just happen to be attracted to my own sex..

Feb 12, 2004, 05:50 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Pyackog Sedimentary Rock Posts: 16	You can actually be friends with someone AND want to screw them...the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. But also, it is possible for guys and girls to be friends with no one wanting to sleep with the other (although I must admit it is much easier with an ugly woman). We are friends with people for many reasons and woman are just as capable of satisfying those reasons as men are.