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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    What? You want me to provide data for something I know damn well causes people to become psychotic for hours on end?

    Get real, dude.

    The better question is; Why do you so want to poison people with psychosis inducing drugs? Are you sadistic?
    People use the same logic to promote racism, sexism and all sorts of things. You need more than your subjective knowledge.

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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    Well....maybe we should lift the ban on child pornography. After all, prohibition only makes everything worse, right?
    Child pornography harms the children used in its production and I agree on its criminalization on that basis.

    Prohibition is wholly different. In general people are not harmed it the production.

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    Quote Quote by: BlackSheep View Post
    But why?
    I'll field that. Because it's EXTREMELY dangerous with such extraordinarily small, actually quite absent, benefits.

    It does one thing; Fries your mind for a full 8-12 hours. If the best benefit that can be observed is that it helps painters make prettier pictures or musicians create better music, I'd say the extreme danger of the substance outweighs the benefit.

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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    So I suppose making guns illegal, as most liberals seem to want to do, would just make things worse too? Or is that different as well?
    The purpose of a gun is to harm. That is what is was developed and designed to do.

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    Quote Quote by: BlackSheep View Post
    People use the same logic to promote racism, sexism and all sorts of things. You need more than your subjective knowledge.
    OK? Prohibition of guns and kiddie porn is off-topic but discrimination, you can find a parallel there? Dubious.

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    The purpose of a gun is to harm. That is what is was developed and designed to do.
    And protect, defend, and garner food. Many positive functionalities there.

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    Quote Quote by: BlackSheep View Post
    People use the same logic to promote racism, sexism and all sorts of things. You need more than your subjective knowledge.
    While ruksak's description of her experience might be technically wrong, it's essentially correct. Lots of people have reported similar effects. LSD is undoubtedly a powerful and dangerous mind-altering drug.


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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    Whoa! Stop right there. My tale is not one of gross exaggeration, sir. What happened to me was a traumatic, horrifying experience that I wish never had occurred. It was beyond description, and my tale can be repeated by millions of people.

    I'm not some goody-goody that never touched the stuff and is just parroting what I read in an alarmist piece of literature.

    If you aren't aware that LSD can cause a profound psychotic state, than you are either being purposely obtuse or you have no idea what you're talking about.



    Well....maybe we should lift the ban on child pornography. After all, prohibition only makes everything worse, right?
    There you go again making silly claims. No one doubts you had a bad experience. No one doubts others, too, have had bad experiences. That you doubt I might be unaware of these is profound silliness on your part, and contrary to the discussion so far.

    As for lifting the ban on child pornography, does that give credence to the notion that prohibiting drugs doesn't work? Does the word specious resonate with you? Just a thought, but ridiculous arguments rarely give credence to one's position.

    Perhaps it's just my personal standard, but it seems to me that if a case is put forward that has nothing to support it but one individual's uncomfortable experience it is a very weak case that likely doesn't deserve acceptance.

    If the notion of one person having a bad or unpleasant experience was justification for banning something, we wouldn't be able to legally buy broccoli or Brussels sprouts.

    I find it amusing, I would like to add, that R supports universal prohibition of LSD because of a personally traumatic experience but refuses to allow the same rationale for someone with an equally frightening experience relating to guns. For some, double standards are so convenient and often revealing of a position bereft of merit.

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    Quote Quote by: sulh-i-kul View Post
    While ruksak's description of her experience might be technically wrong, it's essentially correct. Lots of people have reported similar effects. LSD is undoubtedly a powerful and dangerous mind-altering drug.
    First off, I'm a he not a she. And there is not one iota of my description that was in any way inaccurate. LSD is all fun and giggles unless you take a bit too much. Than it becomes quite dangerous and terrifying.

    I just simply see no reason why we would want something of that nature to become acceptable and used widely? I don't get it.

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    Quote Quote by: barts View Post
    There you go again making silly claims. No one doubts you had a bad experience. No one doubts others, too, have had bad experiences. That you doubt I might be unaware of these is profound silliness on your part, and contrary to the discussion so far.

    As for lifting the ban on child pornography, does that give credence to the notion that prohibiting drugs doesn't work? Does the word specious resonate with you? Just a thought, but ridiculous arguments rarely give credence to one's position.

    Perhaps it's just my personal standard, but it seems to me that if a case is put forward that has nothing to support it but one individual's uncomfortable experience it is a very weak case that likely doesn't deserve acceptance.

    If the notion of one person having a bad or unpleasant experience was justification for banning something, we wouldn't be able to legally buy broccoli or Brussels sprouts.

    I find it amusing, I would like to add, that R supports universal prohibition of LSD because of a personally traumatic experience but refuses to allow the same rationale for someone with an equally frightening experience relating to guns. For some, double standards are so convenient and often revealing of a position bereft of merit.
    Again.....benefit vs risk. LSD has such extremely limited benefit for us to allow it to proliferate as such, being that it is extremely dangerous.

    The term "bad trip" is a common one. It is not a rare event.

    There is no double standard, sir. Guns have a real, applicable positive function. So great in fact, they save lives. LSD....it fucks you up. That's it. To what extent, depends on dosage and tolerance. But all the same, all it does is fuck you up.

    It seems quite selfish to me. That so many want something like that, something so nefarious and dangerous, legalized so they can get their jollies.

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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    OK? Prohibition of guns and kiddie porn is off-topic but discrimination, you can find a parallel there? Dubious.
    I didn't claim they were off topic, I am simply saying that your rational is flawed.

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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    And protect, defend, and garner food. Many positive functionalities there.
    No the gun was designed to harm. It can be used to protect, but only by threatening harm. Garner food by killing.
    It is innately a tool to harm.

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