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    Quote Quote by: LetThereBe View Post
    I'm sure there have been multiple examples, but in the grande scheme of things this is pretty insignificant.
    If you took the sum of all the non-gang/drug related civilian shootings and bombings in the US over a year I bet it would still be far less than the fatalities due to automobile accidents in any day of that same year.
    I'm not saying that these cases aren't bad or tragic, but there are far, far greater problems facing our country today. I certainly don't think they justify the fear to start doing screenings or installing metal detectors in every crowded public place.
    I can agree that the metal detectors/screenings are a bad solution, but I do not agree there is no problem.

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    If someone in that theatre had been carrying a gun, it's likely the man would not have been able to injure and kill as many people as he did.

    And Ken: I get that you're trying to promote your blog, but seriously, I'm not going to click over to it. Maybe it'd be best if you simply restated your thoughts over here?
    People can click, or not. And I do restate my opinions as the thread progresses. The column usually takes a specific skews, whereas here I try to follow the thread as it develops. If I were just "promoting" my column I wouldn't contribute at all.

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    The problem, I suspect, is cultural. Other societies with high gun ownership don't have the gun violence we have here in the states.

    We're a global military and economic empire. We worship our military and see violence and force as laudable. Our national ethos is dominated by the tough guy archetype. We're the baddest dudes on the block. Many of our media heroes are tough guys who use violence to solve problems. Our police are becoming increasingly militarized.
    The gun symbolizes power, potency and superiority. In the US, it's cool to be a bad-ass.

    In our quest to dominate the world and our irrational preoccupation with terrorists and foreign threats, we've transformed our society into a nest of vipers.


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    I suspect it has more to do with our economic factors. We're a highly unequal society. Poor people commit by far the greatest share of violent crime. If we took steps to eliminate this inequality, our violence would diminish greatly.

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    Quote Quote by: seyorni View Post
    The problem, I suspect, is cultural. Other societies with high gun ownership don't have the gun violence we have here in the states.

    We're a global military and economic empire. We worship our military and see violence and force as laudable. Our national ethos is dominated by the tough guy archetype. We're the baddest dudes on the block. Many of our media heroes are tough guys who use violence to solve problems. Our police are becoming increasingly militarized.
    The gun symbolizes power, potency and superiority. In the US, it's cool to be a bad-ass.

    In our quest to dominate the world and our irrational preoccupation with terrorists and foreign threats, we've transformed our society into a nest of vipers.
    Quote Quote by: Angry Citizen View Post
    I suspect it has more to do with our economic factors. We're a highly unequal society. Poor people commit by far the greatest share of violent crime. If we took steps to eliminate this inequality, our violence would diminish greatly.
    Both of you are dead wrong about this case. The suspect was James Holmes, a 24 year old PH.D. student in NeuroScience at the University of Colorado.

    "Though Holmes was apparently a gifted scientist who had received a federal grant to work on his Ph.D. at one of the most competitive neuroscience programs in the country, he was a loner who -- oddly for a young scientist -- seemed to have no Internet presence...

    Holmes is originally from San Diego, where he once reportedly worked as a camp counselor for underprivileged children. He was an honors student at Westview High School, but did not walk in his graduation ceremony...

    "This was this nice kid, grew up in a nice neighborhood. And I don't know what happened," said Kim Goff, Holmes' mother's neighbor.

    In 2010, he graduated with top honors from University of California Riverside with a bachelors of science in neuroscience, and then moved to Aurora to pursue his education at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus.

    Holmes was an honors student and Ph.D. candidate at the school's graduate program in neuroscience until he voluntarily withdrew from the program in June.

    He was one of six recipients of a Neuroscience Training Grant from the National Institutes of Health, which funds pre-thesis Ph.D. students in the neuroscience program at the nschutz Medical Campus.

    According to the university, the focus of the program is on "training outstanding neuroscientists and academicians who will make significant contributions to neurobiology."


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    Both of you are dead wrong about this case. The suspect was James Holmes, a 24 year old PH.D. student in NeuroScience at the University of Colorado.
    How is it "dead wrong" when I said "greatly diminish", not "completely eliminate"? Anders Breivik was also highly intelligent and not exactly poor (how could he be, he lived in Norway).

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    Quote Quote by: Angry Citizen View Post
    How is it "dead wrong" when I said "greatly diminish", not "completely eliminate"? Anders Breivik was also highly intelligent and not exactly poor (how could he be, he lived in Norway).
    The issue in this case is not "economic factors". The issue in this case is not "inequality". The issue in this case is not "poor people". None of these terms apply to the shooter Holmes.


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    How is it "dead wrong" when I said "greatly diminish", not "completely eliminate"?

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    How is it "dead wrong" when I said "greatly diminish", not "completely eliminate"?
    Because economic inequality is not even relevant to this case.


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    You're right, it isn't. How am I wrong in asserting that the prevalence of murder would greatly diminish should these issues be addressed?

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    Quote Quote by: Angry Citizen View Post
    You're right, it isn't. How am I wrong in asserting that the prevalence of murder would greatly diminish should these issues be addressed?
    I stated you are "dead wrong about this case". You stated that you "suspect it has to do more with economic factors". This case has nothing to do with economic factors. The rest of your post is irrelevant to the case as economic factors are not related to this case.


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    I stated you are "dead wrong about this case".
    But I was not referring to "this case". I was referring to seyorni's post directly above mine. In short, please learn to read in the context of the thread.

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