Women surpass men in IQ tests for first time ever

[truthreality]

Women surpass men in IQ tests for first time ever

What are your thoughts?

[mbc85]

This is no surprise, now women have the same opportunities as men do, times change, the only thing that will not change is the arrogant attitude of being "better"

[Angry Citizen]

IQ tests are about the worst possible way of measuring one's intelligence. It's very much akin to a lie detector in terms of reliability.

[iolo]

Sorry - double posting.

[iolo]

As far as intelligence goes, the two groups hypothesised are entirely irrelevant, and as AC says, IQ tests are drivel. To prove it, I score high on the things. Nuff said? They are cultural tests, that's all. As soon as a new group gets in on the setting, their 'intelligence' rises.

[Darklordabc]

As far as intelligence goes, the two groups hypothesised are entirely irrelevant, and as AC says, IQ tests are drivel. To prove it, I score high on the things. Nuff said? They are cultural tests, that's all. As soon as a new group gets in on the setting, their 'intelligence' rises.

IQ tests are about the worst possible way of measuring one's intelligence. It's very much akin to a lie detector in terms of reliability.

Ahhh, good to see decades old misconceptions still alive and thriving.

[Angry Citizen]

Gee now, I wonder why you would say that. Could it be you wish to perpetuate a long-dead, decades-old misconception of your own?

[Darklordabc]

Gee now, I wonder why you would say that. Could it be you wish to perpetuate a long-dead, decades-old misconception of your own?

No. Its Because IQ scores, have high reliability and correlate with many other variables, that people would traditionally associate with intelligence. Like Grades, Achievement, Income, University Grades, and many other factors. To say, it is the "worst possible" way to measure intelligence is so far of base, it could only come from somebody extremely ignorant on the topic.

One study found a correlation of 0.82 between g (general intelligence factor) and SAT scores;[64] another has found correlation of 0.81 between g and GCSE scores

[Yarn]

I don't find this theory implausible, but this researcher hasn't published his findings, so they as of yet have not received proper scrutiny. Also, the size of his study is puny compared to those that have yielded opposite results.

A Canadian study in 2006 that used the results of 100,000 IQ tests showed men scored 5 points higher than women on average. Flynn's study uses the results of several thousand or less tests. He finds women score a point to half a point higher, which is a much slighter result.

[Angry Citizen]

No. Its Because IQ scores, have high reliability and correlate with many other variables, that people would traditionally associate with intelligence. Like Grades, Achievement, Income, University Grades, and many other factors. To say, it is the "worst possible" way to measure intelligence is so far of base, it could only come from somebody extremely ignorant on the topic.

Grades, 'achievement', income, and university grades all suffer from the same problem that IQ tests do: they are primarily cultural. Indeed, 'achievement' and 'income' are able to be correlated far more often with one's social skills than with one's intelligence.

[Darklordabc]

Grades, 'achievement', income, and university grades all suffer from the same problem that IQ tests do: they are primarily cultural. Indeed, 'achievement' and 'income' are able to be correlated far more often with one's social skills than with one's intelligence.

IQ scores are primarily inherited (which I must of said 1000 times by now...). Aka Genetic, so its mostly unaffected by culture. I can easily imagine other factors correlating more with success, like whether you are born into an extremely wealthy family or not, but that does not rule out other, lesser correlations. My point is, what ever your personal definition of intelligence is, IQ must likely correlates with it.

[truthreality]

IQ scores are primarily inherited (which I must of said 1000 times by now...). Aka Genetic, so its mostly unaffected by culture.

Completely false. You do realize that intelligence is the result of evolution and adaptation right?

The Truth About IQ:

Can your IQ score change over time?
Absolutely. "IQ scores," explains Cornell University's Stephen Ceci, "can change quite dramatically as a result of changes in family environment (Clarke, 1976; Svendsen, 1982), work environment (Kohn and Schooler, 1978), historical environment (Flynn, 1987), styles of parenting (Baumrind, 1967; Dornbusch, 1987), and, most especially, shifts in level of schooling."

So IQ scores don't imply any sort of fixed or innate intelligence?
Quite the contrary. We know that the abilities IQ measures are skills, and we know that people can earn these skills. "Intelligence," Robert Sternberg has declared, "represents a set of competencies in development." There is plenty of evidence, for example, that schooling raises overall academic intelligence.[vii] There is also evidence that most human beings are not reaching their cognitive or academic potential.[viii] Better schools and higher standards can raise the level of learning for nearly all students.

Don't genes limit our intelligence? Isn't intelligence "heritable?"
No, and no. Very sloppy science and journalism has led us to believe that what scientists call "heritability" (derived from twin studies) is the same thing as what we ordinary folk call "heredity." In fact, they are not even remotely the same thing. Genes certainly do have an impact on intelligence, and everyone has their own theoretical limits, but every indication is that most of us don't come close to our true intellectual potential. More on this here.

I can easily imagine other factors correlating more with success, like whether you are born into an extremely wealthy family or not, but that does not rule out other, lesser correlations. My point is, what ever your personal definition of intelligence is, IQ must likely correlates with it.

First define success. Then establish the correlation between IQ tests and your definition of success.