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bishop · Feb 16, 2005, 01:30 pm

interesting article here:

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...&w=RTR&coview=

incidentally, bush has supported the merger of major media conglomerates. and threatened to veto any attempt to diminish their ability to take over everything.

does mccain have a point in saying that the media should be required to concern itself with informing the public, rather than selling packaged bits of news to the public?

castille · Feb 20, 2005, 02:56 am

ALL media is about selling. Private media sells advertising, public media sells government ideology (ie. propaganda machine), independent media sells ideology (I think some Nazi independent site even listed the names of all Jewish-influenced companies).

Frankly I do not believe the media will ever stop "selling". People say the media should only educate and never entertain - doesn't that open the field for propaganda, especially if it is a public media company (essentially funded by the government)?

The only media I trust is the pure entertainment media. Of course, they could be secretly using Seinfeld episodes to brainwash me to accept my new Lizard Men masters, who knows?

SVMc · Feb 22, 2005, 01:54 pm

I guess my question is how could anyone reliably "require" the media to do anything? Castille is right, public media will have a government objective..... despite CBC supposedly being at arms length from the government (and I do enjoy CBC more than most private networks) they do push their own agenda...

I think it's up to the media user to be more media savvy, most of us on the internet most likely subscribe to our own news blogs etc... I love the indy media... but I would be hard pressed to make any argument about any form of media being even keel, non-biases, or multi-partisan.

Richard 23 · Feb 25, 2005, 08:21 pm

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Quote by: castille

The only media I trust is the pure entertainment media. Of course, they could be secretly using Seinfeld episodes to brainwash me to accept my new Lizard Men masters, who knows?

Or to promote torture, perhaps? ABC's Boston Legal (The Feb 20, 2005): "Alan defends a police officer accused of torturing a suspect connected to a kidnapping." The cop applies a little torture, breaking a suspect's arm (he seemed guilty) to get information that happily results in the recovery of kidnapped child.

FootnoteTV: Tortured Souls
Red and Blue: Boston Legal misrepresents Dershowitz's views on torture*
Infowars: Pro-Torture Brainwashing Propaganda

Message was clear: we many not like torture, but standards evolve over time, torture hurts bad people, and it might save a puppy, so that makes it ok! it's a useful tool! Dialog included (no transcript): When it comes to evil doers, torture's ok. If it was your child wouldn't you want them to do everything necessary...

More importantly, do you want police torturing your kid?

castille · Feb 28, 2005, 05:38 am

Define "torture". Personally I think watching Rosanne Barr strip naked is torture.

Paavo · Feb 28, 2005, 06:11 am

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Message was clear: we many not like torture, but standards evolve over time, torture hurts bad people, and it might save a puppy, so that makes it ok! it's a useful tool! Dialog included (no transcript): When it comes to evil doers, torture's ok. If it was your child wouldn't you want them to do everything necessary...

It's sick.
Don't people realize that you can get anyone to "confess" anything with torture? Have fun with Soviet-America and its new secret police tactics a'la Cheka/NKVD/KGB...you look a bit like a "terrorist" or "extremist," you know? *talks with a bad Russian accent* :p

Feb 16, 2005, 01:30 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	mccain wants better media interesting article here: http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news...&w=RTR&coview= incidentally, bush has supported the merger of major media conglomerates. and threatened to veto any attempt to diminish their ability to take over everything. does mccain have a point in saying that the media should be required to concern itself with informing the public, rather than selling packaged bits of news to the public?

Feb 20, 2005, 02:56 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	ALL media is about selling. Private media sells advertising, public media sells government ideology (ie. propaganda machine), independent media sells ideology (I think some Nazi independent site even listed the names of all Jewish-influenced companies). Frankly I do not believe the media will ever stop "selling". People say the media should only educate and never entertain - doesn't that open the field for propaganda, especially if it is a public media company (essentially funded by the government)? The only media I trust is the pure entertainment media. Of course, they could be secretly using Seinfeld episodes to brainwash me to accept my new Lizard Men masters, who knows? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 28, 2005, 05:38 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Define "torture". Personally I think watching Rosanne Barr strip naked is torture. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 22, 2005, 01:54 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
SVMc Lazy Sniper Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 513	I guess my question is how could anyone reliably "require" the media to do anything? Castille is right, public media will have a government objective..... despite CBC supposedly being at arms length from the government (and I do enjoy CBC more than most private networks) they do push their own agenda... I think it's up to the media user to be more media savvy, most of us on the internet most likely subscribe to our own news blogs etc... I love the indy media... but I would be hard pressed to make any argument about any form of media being even keel, non-biases, or multi-partisan.