Killing unarmed black teenagers in Orlando is fine if you're white.

[BlackSheep]

All of them. Rights don't magically disappear based on body counts.

I never suggested right disappear.

You said "I'd rather have the kid die as a result of prevalence of guns in society than deny a woman the right to self-defense."

So you could care less how many people die to keep this right?

[JimmyNic]

What if the man did intend to rape her? Would you sacrifice her ability to fight back? Banning guns does nothing more than create disparity of power between the weak and the strong. A woman with a .44 is as deadly as a man with a .44. Indeed, a firearm is the most effective means by which a physically weak person can fend off a physically strong person without the situation escalating into outright violence. A strong person starts thinking cautious thoughts when staring at a chambered hollowpoint; he's not going to think cautious thoughts when staring at a pepper spray canister.

If I was going to rape someone in a country where guns were freely available I'd definitely bring one. In a country where they weren't...probably not. I'm thinking the scenario you got worked out in your head probably isn't that accurate.

Frankly, I'd rather have the kid die as a result of prevalence of guns in society than deny a woman the right to self-defense.

You can talk about rights all you want, but until you draw up some hard data that proves that being able to buy guns actually lowers the prevalence of violence it don't matter. Of course being able to buy guns is not the only thing that influences violent crime, but if you believe that it actually makes people safer you'd best bring the stats.

[Angry Citizen]

You can talk about rights all you want, but until you draw up some hard data that proves that being able to buy guns actually lowers the prevalence of violence it don't matter.

I can't. None exists. Indeed, evidence exists contrary to that.

[Angry Citizen]

I never suggested right disappear.

You said "I'd rather have the kid die as a result of prevalence of guns in society than deny a woman the right to self-defense."

So you could care less how many people die to keep this right?

If every man, woman and child in the world died for that one woman's right to self-defense, I would not blink an eye.

[Trojan_Ripper]

If I was going to rape someone in a country where guns were freely available I'd definitely bring one. In a country where they weren't...probably not. I'm thinking the scenario you got worked out in your head probably isn't that accurate.

Well....It sounds as if you are going to rape someone... you're going to do it either way. Maybe you will bring a rock. I'm thinking you would bring a rock.

But all that shit just means is "man with rock tried to rape me, and I shot a quarter size hole in his head...."I'm thinking that scenario works out for any jury in this land".

I was wondering when this thread would turn to guns....didn't take long.

[BlackSheep]

If every man, woman and child in the world died for that one woman's right to self-defense, I would not blink an eye.

Wow. You don't see that is insane?

[BlackSheep]

Well....It sounds as if you are going to rape someone... you're going to do it either way. Maybe you will bring a rock. I'm thinking you would bring a rock.

But all that shit just means is "man with rock tried to rape me, and I shot a quarter size hole in his head...."I'm thinking that scenario works out for any jury in this land".

I was wondering when this thread would turn to guns....didn't take long.

Kinda started with guns.

[Angry Citizen]

Do you have an argument against it, or mere incredulity?

[BlackSheep]

Do you have an argument against it, or mere incredulity?

An argument against what? You presented no argument.

A simple argument against what you just said is that if you are willing to let everyone die just to have that right would seem an extreme and counter productive right. I mean the woman you are wanted to give the right to self defense would also die.

[barts]

If every man, woman and child in the world died for that one woman's right to self-defense, I would not blink an eye.

Actually, being dead too, you would not be able to blink an eye. And with every man, woman, and child dead who is going to rape or attack the last woman? What's the term you used earlier? Oh, yes. "Height of absurdity".

[Angry Citizen]

And with every man, woman, and child dead who is going to rape or attack the last woman?

Well, that's the point, innit.

[el ايمان]

If the "right" of one woman lead to an incredulous slough of men, women, and children dying, I would seriously reconsider affording it to that woman.