Killing unarmed black teenagers in Orlando is fine if you're white.

[Darklordabc]

What are the genetic advantages that whites have, in your view?

Mainly intelligence. In general whites have approximately 15 more IQ points then blacks which leads to a whole array of different societal advantages. There are other genetic advantages, but the IQ gap is likely the most consequential of them. But lets not derail another thread with a discussion of race.

[lsbskins1]

I wasn't talking about this particular case, I was talking about the consequences of profiling in general. There is lots of cases where men have been the victims of people wrongly profiling them as more dangerous then they actually were, which sometimes leads to deaths,however this doesn't mean all gender based profiling results in devastation.

No, whites do have an genetic advantage, but that shouldn't act as a excuse for the failures of other ethnicity's, and it still doesn't change the reality of statistics based profiling, which we all do on a day to day basis.

The consequences of legal profilling are devastating. Justifying unfair legal practice by citing the existence of huristics is like justifying murder by saying, "We all die sometime."

And being willing to "admit" somthing (that has been disproven over and over again) because it justifies your sense of superiority is not what is being discussed here. What you seem to be unwilling to admit is that society in general assumes good things about you based on your race, while it concurrently assumes bad things about others based on their race and that gives you an unfair advantage; the key point being that the advantage is unfair.

[Darklordabc]

What you seem to be unwilling to admit is that society in general assumes good things about you based on your race, while it concurrently assumes bad things about others based on their race and that gives you an unfair advantage; the key point being that the advantage is unfair.

I don't accept it is an unfair assumption. If the white pens work 90% of the time and the black pens work 70% of the time, is it an 'unfair' assumption to assume a white pen as a better choice of pen then a black pen? No. White people have more favorable assumptions, because we on average behave better then blacks do, thus we are entitled to those assumptions.

Your essentially saying we should disregard statistics, and give the benefit of the doubt to every single person, and place no assumptions upon anyone. This is a completely unreasonable request to make. Is it reasonable to assume an old Asian lady is just as dangerous as a young black guy, absolutely not. Practicality and safety override idealistic demands of equal treatment.

If your walking through a park late at night, and you have to either walk past a drunk man or a drunk woman, who will you walk past? Most people will choose the woman, because women are far less likely to be dangerous then men. Well blacks are far more likely to be dangerous then whites. The same logic applies to them.

[lsbskins1]

I don't accept it is an unfair assumption. If the white pens work 90% of the time and the black pens work 70% of the time, is it an 'unfair' assumption to assume a white person as a better choice of pen then a black pen? No. White people have more favorable assumptions, because we on average behave better then blacks do, thus we are entitled to those assumptions.

Your essentially saying we should disregard statistics, and give the benefit of the doubt to every single person, and place no assumptions upon anyone. This is a completely unreasonable request to make. Is it reasonable to assume an old Asian lady is just as dangerous as a young black guy, absolutely not. Practicality and safety override idealistic demands of equal treatment.

If your walking through a park late at night, and you have to either walk past a drunk man or a drunk woman, who will you walk past? Most people will choose the women, because women are far less likely to be dangerous then men. Well blacks are far more likely to be dangerous then whites. The same logic applies to them.

I'm suggesting we disregard the bullshit statistics you rely on, yes. I am also suggesting that most reasoned people rejected, long ago, the idea that you can "caste" individuals and be fair. You may be fond of pointing at the results of bigotry and disadvantage and pretending they are not results, but instead inherent traits, but I am not. Its like blaming a person with no access to water for being less clean than you.

[barts]

Mainly intelligence. In general whites have approximately 15 more IQ points then blacks which leads to a whole array of different societal advantages. There are other genetic advantages, but the IQ gap is likely the most consequential of them. But lets not derail another thread with a discussion of race.

I agree, let's not derail this thread, but as you did make the claim about genetic advantage, let me just say in anticipation of a discussion on race, and so that it is on the record here, that your assertion about a putative genetic "15 ... IQ point" gap between blacks and whites is scientific nonsense.

[Darklordabc]

I'm suggesting we disregard the bullshit statistics you rely on, yes.

Ya okay, we should all start walking through bad black neighborhoods at two in the morning, I mean who really cares about rape and homicide stats, there meaningless right?.

You may be fond of pointing at the results of bigotry and disadvantage and pretending they are not results, but instead inherent traits, but I am not.

Don't blame bigotry for blacks high homicide rate, blame the black assholes who pulled the trigger.


Another bullshit statistic?

I agree, let's not derail this thread, but as you did make the claim about genetic advantage, let me just say in anticipation of a discussion on race, and so that it is on the record here, that your assertion about a putative genetic "15 ... IQ point" gap between blacks and whites is scientific nonsense.

Prove blacks have equal intelligence.

[lsbskins1]

Ya okay, we should all start walking through bad black neighborhoods at two in the morning, I mean who really cares about rape and homicide stats, there meaningless right?.

Don't blame bigotry for blacks high homicide rate, blame the black assholes who pulled the trigger.


Another bullshit statistic?
causation where it is
Prove blacks have equal intelligence.

You are not the least bit interested in actual scienticic analysis of anything. You are interested in cherry picking data, ignoring causation and focusing on correlation. People and peer reviewed scientific data have already disproved that whites are inherently more intelligent than blacks, but you reject the notion because you prefer to reject it. Discussing any of these issues with you is like trying to convince someone in the grips of insanity that the big green space monster they think is chasing them isn't real. The truth of the proposition is irrelevant because for whatever reason, the receiver cannot process the information.

[Darklordabc]

You are not the least bit interested in actual scienticic analysis of anything.

Actually I have spent many hours researching this very topic, reading both critics and proponents of it. I like to think I'm quite well versed on it

People and peer reviewed scientific data have already disproved that whites are inherently more intelligent than blacks, but you reject the notion because you prefer to reject it.

This is the first time I'm hearing of such evidence. I don't suppose you have a source for this holy grail of a study?

[barts]

Prove blacks have equal intelligence.

In this corner, representing the genetically superior white race, we have Pat Robertson, media mogul, television evangelist, ex-Baptist minister and businessman who politically aligns himself with the Christian Right in the United States, who said,

"the feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

In the other corner, representing the genetically inferior black race, we have astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space, and a research associate in the department of astrophysics at the American Museum of Natural History, who said,

The problem, often not discovered until late in life, is that when you look for things in life like love, meaning, motivation, it implies they are sitting behind a tree or under a rock. The most successful people in life recognize, that in life they create their own love, they manufacture their own meaning, they generate their own motivation. For me, I am driven by two main philosophies, know more today about the world than I knew yesterday. And lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you.

Hmmm. It seems you may be right. Blacks don't have equal intelligence as whites, they have more intelligence.

[Darklordabc]

Hmmm. It seems you may be right. Blacks don't have equal intelligence as whites, they have more intelligence.

Oh dear...ya you haven't proven that blacks are just as smart as whites on average, all you have proven is that 1 black man is smarter then 1 white person. I was more hoping for actual studies, that try to prove the races have equal inherent intelligence. I feel bad suggesting you to find some, because it would only be wasting your time.

To know what your really up against, you should glance at this 30 year review of race studies, it may change your life: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

[barts]

Oh dear...ya you haven't proven that blacks are just as smart as whites on average, all you have proven is that 1 black man is smarter then 1 white person. I was more hoping for actual studies, that try to prove the races have equal inherent intelligence. I feel bad suggesting you to find some, because it would only be wasting your time.

To know what your really up against, you should glance at this 30 year review of race studies, it may change your life: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

Actually, what I've proven is that the notion of one race being more or less intelligent than another (on average or otherwise) is nonsense, because what matters is the individual and not the race.

And, I assume you're aware that Rushton's work is not without its critics in the academic community.

[crimethinker]

all you have proven is that 1 black man is smarter then 1 white person.

At least we can agree that Neil deGrasse Tyson is smarter than Pat Robertson. It's not that "post-racial society" I've heard so much about, but it's a start.