Killing unarmed black teenagers in Orlando is fine if you're white.

[Trojan_Ripper]

Am I pretending to be Zimmerman or Trayvon?

How would you have reacted to MY situation. What would you have done? Would you have pursued...etc, etc.

[Thanatos]

Old news....Lawrence O’Donnell brought it up on his show last night and the people who started the show saying it.... RECANTED at the very end of the show, saying they weren’t sure what he said. But it was comical watching O’Donnell say over and over...can you hear it...can't you hear it? I can hear it. Then they recant on his ass. Funny!

Sounds like LIKE is just that. A worthless word in a worthless statement.

You seem... upset.

How do you recant a recording? Played on Youtube at 1080p through my snazzy headphones, I can't help but notice that a) the shooter seems extremely and puzzlingly shaken, like some great injustice has just befallen him and b) he does indeed say "fucking coons" and it'll be recorded that way for digital eternity.

I'd be interested to know what had him so upset. Is this how racists feel when hooded black people walk through their gated community? It's like a full-blown phobic reaction. After some of the shit I saw in New Orleans I'm pretty convinced it is a phobic reaction, at least for some people. The difference is if an arachnophobe freaks out and goes apeshit on a spider it's not headline news because spiders aren't human beings who play football and eat Skittles.

[kingjust627]

How would you have reacted to MY situation. What would you have done? Would you have pursued...etc, etc.

Unfortunately, the right to defend oneself and property end at the edge of your property. You chasing him, makes you the assailant. That is the law. You WERE right, but wrong. When were you in florida? For the years i've been posting, you've been in Tennessee running your business?

[el ايمان]

I would have pursued him, just not with the baseball bat. Provided he was knocked unconscious after I tackled him or something like that, I probably would have carried him back to the house.

Unfortunately, the right to defend oneself and property end at the edge of your property. You chasing him, makes you the assailant. That is the law. You WERE right, but wrong. When were you in florida? For the years i've been posting, you've been in Tennessee running your business?

I disagree. If the guy had already stolen house keys, I think it is imperative to chase him (not necessarily to injure him), especially if its only a few yards, because he presents a real danger of coming back later and retaliating. Even if he doesn't, is it improper to chase after a pickpocket?

[kingjust627]

I would have pursued him, just not with the baseball bat. Provided he was knocked unconscious after I tackled him or something like that, I probably would have carried him back to the house.


I disagree. If the guy had already stolen house keys, I think it is imperative to chase him, especially if its only a few yards, because he presents a real danger of coming back later and retaliating.

Wouldn't that make you just as bad as him? The laws aren't suspended because you are doing what you feel is right. I'm not against what you would like to do, it's just how the law is...

[el ايمان]

Wouldn't that make you just as bad as him? The laws aren't suspended because you are doing what you feel is right. I'm not against what you would like to do, it's just how the law is...

I don't think so. I edited this post after you started yours, but i'll compare this to a situation of being pickpocketed. If something is stolen from you, I find it acceptable to chase after the thief to retrieve your item. That's not to say you should (as exampled above) run after him or her waving a baseball bat or a weapon rifle, or get some punches in. You're retrieving a stolen valuable without the intent of physical aggression although it may escalate to that.

[kingjust627]

I don't think so. I edited this post after you started yours, but i'll compare this to a situation of being pickpocketed. If something is stolen from you, I find it acceptable to chase after the thief to retrieve your item. That's not to say you should (as exampled above) run after him or her waving a baseball bat or a weapon rifle, or get some punches in. You're retrieving a stolen valuable without the intent of physical aggression although it may escalate to that.

I hear you, but carrying back to your house insinuates guilt... from the laws perspective that is. I told you, i'm all for what you would do, unfortunately our laws don't allow that to happen, not to say it doesn't anyways.

[Darklordabc]

On March 16th, the Sanford police department released new details to the Orlando Sentinel. Once again, these details have been ignored or changed by the media.

1. The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him.
2. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help.
3. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness.
4. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son.

Source
End of debate, it was self-defense. It doesn't matter what your actions following up to the event were, once you are on the ground, being beaten upon, you have the right to kill your attacker to protect yourself.

[el ايمان]

I hear you, but carrying back to your house insinuates guilt... from the laws perspective that is. I told you, i'm all for what you would do, unfortunately our laws don't allow that to happen, not to say it doesn't anyways.

Actually, it insinuates responsible citizenship. Someone steals something from me, I pursue that person to retrieve my item, that person ends up on the ground, disoriented, I carry him back to my place and offer him some a glass of water.

Aside from that, your point is irrelevant (as is this entire side-discussion about Trojan's troubled, burglary past).

[kingjust627]

Actually, it insinuates responsible citizenship. Someone steals something from me, I pursue that person to retrieve my item, that person ends up on the ground, disoriented, I carry him back to my place and offer him some a glass of water.

Aside from that, your point is irrelevant (as is this entire side-discussion about Trojan's troubled, burglary past).

I highly doubt you are going to offer him water... if you do, good for you.

[kingjust627]

Source
End of debate, it was self-defense. It doesn't matter what your actions following up to the event were, once you are on the ground, being beaten upon, you have the right to kill your attacker to protect yourself.

When pursuing someone first, then get your ass handed to you (if that is true), the self defense seems dubious.

[LetThereBe]

You seem... upset.

How do you recant a recording? Played on Youtube at 1080p through my snazzy headphones, I can't help but notice that a) the shooter seems extremely and puzzlingly shaken, like some great injustice has just befallen him and b) he does indeed say "fucking coons" and it'll be recorded that way for digital eternity.

I'd be interested to know what had him so upset. Is this how racists feel when hooded black people walk through their gated community? It's like a full-blown phobic reaction. After some of the shit I saw in New Orleans I'm pretty convinced it is a phobic reaction, at least for some people. The difference is if an arachnophobe freaks out and goes apeshit on a spider it's not headline news because spiders aren't human beings who play football and eat Skittles.

What was the number cited earlier? He had called the police 47 times in the last 14 months?

Unless all of those 47 times were likewise Black, I maintain this is a case of a crazy vigilante, not a crazy racist. Yes, race probably factored into his profiling... but the extreme reaction wasn't because "this is a Black guy". The reaction was "this is the 48th time in just over a year that the police were too slow to do anything, and I will NOT let it happen again".