The Truth About Gun Control

[Mr.Vicchio]

Wedo agree more then you think

I just don't like making that too public.

And yes I would be the next guy gunning down "agents" or whoever comming to take my guns.

[MerlinsByte]

by Chris the chee...... 3. In the UK we have some stringant gun control laws.

If you contuniue to give your rights to the, anti freedom UK Nazis, you may have NO rights by tomorrow.

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." --Thomas Jefferson

[Pooeypants]

It's true, what's even worse is they're capitalising on Terrorism to pass things like the Patriot act in America for example.

[Mr.Vicchio]

How many acts of terror have there been since 9/11 on US Soil?


What's wrong with the PA again?

[The Fyrdman]

How do you know that it was the Patriot Act that has prevented terrorist acts?

Of course if we continue to give up our rights we will eventually find we have lost all of our freedoms. But civilisation itself is a curtailment of freedom. Under nature I am free to take what I want. Society requires that we agree on limiting our freedoms in order that we can live peacefully. In the UK, most believe and agree that removing our right to possess firearms is just such a limit worth having in order to build our society.

I just don't agree with it.

[Pooeypants]

How many acts of terror have there been since 9/11 on US Soil?

The 9/11 event would've prevented without the Patriot Act, I'm sure you're aware of how much advanced warning the US intelligence had.

What's wrong with the PA again?

You're one for against oppression of rights, why is different here?

[USMC Retired]

Tony Martin shoot a burglar in the back whilst he trying to escape. Now, I don't know about you, but if someone was running away from me, I wouldn't try to kill them, perhaps disable them by shooting in the leg if I could.

Shucks, drats, darn! He must have turned, JUST as I was pulling the trigger!! My point is what the hell was he (and his friend) doing in my house, at NIGHT, without an invatation? Was he and his friend just "delivering cookies????" I highly doubt it. They were there to ROB an innocent home owner. And had he not had a shotgun to PROTECT himself and his family, I have no doubt that they would have beat the hell out of him, and/or left him for DEAD. Shoot to "wound".... I don't think so. So armed robbers beware. In MY house, I shoot to KILL!

What is really scary is how high the gun crime per capita is in the US...

And how much of that gun crime is performed by honest, law abiding citizens.... and how much is performed by LIFE LONG CRIMINALS, with a rap sheet longer than your arm? In what way will denying fire arms to LAW ABIDING citizens reduce gun crime? You can pass all the laws you want..... the criminal won't care. Outlaw guns, make it illegal to sell/purchase them.... the CRIMINAL will still get them..... and YOU will be sitting there with your thumb in an awkard anatomical position.

[Pooeypants]

Shucks, drats, darn! He must have turned, JUST as I was pulling the trigger!! My point is what the hell was he (and his friend) doing in my house, at NIGHT, without an invatation? Was he and his friend just "delivering cookies????" I highly doubt it. They were there to ROB an innocent home owner. And had he not had a shotgun to PROTECT himself and his family, I have no doubt that they would have beat the hell out of him, and/or left him for DEAD. Shoot to "wound".... I don't think so. So armed robbers beware. In MY house, I shoot to KILL!

Maybe you didn't read the posts but he was unlicensed and shot the kid twice in the back. Now although they were indeed thieves, I would say that is much more reasonable force considering they weren't armed.

[USMC Retired]

When I see a trained soldier is prepared to blow away a couple of teenagers for nothing more than a nighttime knock on the door it makes me wonder.

A "night time knock is one thing.... an INTRUDER in my home is quite another. What pray tell would YOU do with an intruder in your house? Lock the door and hope he goes away? Oops, that won't work, he's already broken the window and is INSIDE with you and your family. Do you have young children, Scribbler? Perhaps a teenaged daughter? What will you do when she wakes up SCREAMING, with a strange man in her bedroom? Are you just going to SIT THERE while you wait 20-30 minutes for the police to arrive???? "Sorry honey, daddy wanted to save you, but he was afraid that your RAPPIST had a gun, while daddy didn't. You see, it's ILLEGAL for HONEST people to have guns to protect themselves with." "But Daddy", your little girl sobs, while pulling her ripped and torn clothing up around her, "If guns are illegal to own, how did that awful man get one?" What do you reply to your daughter then????

On a side note: USMC Retired, why do I get the feeling you're a lot of fun around Halloween?

As for Halloween, it is a rather fun time around my house. Unlike a lot of people these days, we decorate, carve pumpkins, and hand out candy to all the kids who come to the door. What do YOU do on Halloween?

[Pooeypants]

Hmm, seems like you're always expecting the worse case senario. Would you like a nuke as well incase the commies invade?

[Chris the Chees]

Chris, nice numbers but they are absolutely POINTLESS.

Utter trash.

Useful numbers you should go dig up:

Population sizes and the correlation to those numbers you provided

Number of guns used by criminals vs lawfully owened weapons by their rightful owners in a crime.

Violent Crimes Vs Non-violent Crimes.

Home intrustions occupied Vs Unoccupied

Better yet, get the crime numbers for Chicago and DC vs Say Houston and Dallas. (I love that one)

The population of the USA is approximately 5 times larger than that of the UK, in order for you to actually have a point, which you don't, the population sizes would have to have a similar ratio to that of the violent crime stats.

Very few people in the UK own fire arms, generally only farmers.

The inverse proportionality between gun ownership and violent crime is none existent, as is your point.

Try again!

[USMC Retired]

Quote by: Retired Guy
Poor choice on the girls part (and that of their parents for allowing it), running around the neighborhood at night, ringing peoples doorbells and then running away. Fair warning: You come creeping around MY house in the middle of the night, you get what ever HAPPENS to you, as the safety of my family comes FIRST. Oh, you were just delivering COOKIES in the middle of the night..... too bad, so sad..... I'll put flowers on your grave!

I see that once again my "passionate remarks" have been edited out. So much for free speech around here...........

Though to be honest I was more thinking about this post You don't think that sounds like someone who is paranoid?

Paraniod..... no, I'm not.

DETERMINED...... yes, I am! I am determined to protect my family and my property by any means necessary. Do you think the cops will be there on the scene, before an inturder has done what he wants? Take a look at average police response times in major cities..... and ask yourself if they will be there WHEN you NEED them. Or, are YOU going to have to handle the situation on your own, and tell the cops about it when they show up 30 minutes or more later? If the latter, then just what are you going to do? Sneak up behind them and yell "BOO!!!" and hope they die of a heart attack?????