Americans & Guns

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Samildanach, Britain having more problems with guns than the USA? Wahahahah....hahahahaha hahahahaha,.....hahahahaha. Good one....now back in the real world.

Why are you laughing?

"In Great Britain, handguns are outlawed, and possession of long guns is severely restricted. Yet, despite strict gun-control, as of 1995, rates for robbery, assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft in England and Wales had surpassed those here in the States. On average, for all 4 crimes, English rates were double U.S. rates."

----"Crime and Justice in the United States and England and Wales, 1981-1996"; U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics; October 1998

[dotcoma]

Micheal Moore never gave us that one, did he?

[Pooeypants]

What you quoted doesn't say we're having more gun crime in UK, merely we have more crime commited.

[dotcoma]

"On average, for all 4 crimes, English rates were double U.S. rates."

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by roxdog, "On average, for all 4 crimes, English rates were double U.S. rates."

Yes, but did it specify it all involved guns.
Interesting from the site itself.



Also from the same site.

Firearms are more often involved in violent crimes in the United States than in England. According to 1996 police statistics, firearms were used in 68% of U.S. murders but 7% of English murders, and 41% of U.S. robberies but 5% of English robberies.

source

[Pooeypants]

And although that site has mainly older statistics, newer ones see a drop in Crime rate.


source

Could be Labour party playing fiddle sticks though.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by Pooeypants, And although that site has mainly older statistics, newer ones see a drop in Crime rate. User Posted Image source Could be Labour party playing fiddle sticks though.

If it is anything like over here, you should expect fiddle sticks no matter which party is in power, even if you agree with that particular party's ideals, you can still expect fiddle sticks.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What you quoted doesn't say we're having more gun crime in UK, merely we have more crime commited.[/b]

But that's one of the important points. One does not need a gun to rob a house or rape or murder.

If you can go into a house you know has no gun in the nightstand, you have a lot more confidence in whatever weapon you do have.

Armed Americans reduces crime.


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You're living in a dream world if you think arming every person in the society is going to solve our crime problem. Fight fire with fire huh?

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No - it's like any other arms race: the deterrant factor.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Mia,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mia,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Pooeypants, What you quoted doesn't say we're having more gun crime in UK, merely we have more crime commited.

But that's one of the important points. One does not need a gun to rob a house or rape or murder.

If you can go into a house you know has no gun in the nightstand, you have a lot more confidence in whatever weapon you do have.

Armed Americans reduces crime.

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Armed Americans also commit homocide at a rate more than 4 times on a British citizen, although that may be due to the ease there is for one kill with a pistol at short and medium range.

Oh and seeing as the overall crime rate has dropped considerably now, yet gun proliferation here persists, I could say the same. Unarmed British reduces crime.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Mia, No - it's like any other arms race: the deterrant factor.

In that case, I'd like a cache of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons please. Can't be too careful you know.

The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow
the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all
conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms
have prepared their own downfall by so doing.
Adolph Hitler

What "subject races" was he talking about? Certainly not Patriot german citizens.
Allan

[Comrade]

I'd like to retain the right to defend my home with an anti-aircraft battery, thanks.

side: I was driving through a small town the other day, here in north Texas...this guy had a tank turret in his yard. I doubt it works or he had ammo, but thats awesome. I'm pretty sure its from one the "Patton" tanks.


There is something we are missing. Gun control is one of the issues I belive neither side can be right, because we don't know if being able to acquire a gun from a gun store is what causes crime. Nobody knows what the universal reason for killing with a weapon is, though I suspect it has something to do with education and culture (as in public beliefs).

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by Comrade, I'd like to retain the right to defend my home with an anti-aircraft battery, thanks. side: I was driving through a small town the other day, here in north Texas...this guy had a tank turret in his yard. I doubt it works or he had ammo, but thats awesome. I'm pretty sure its from one the "Patton" tanks. There is something we are missing. Gun control is one of the issues I belive neither side can be right, because we don't know if being able to acquire a gun from a gun store is what causes crime. Nobody knows what the universal reason for killing with a weapon is, though I suspect it has something to do with education and culture (as in public beliefs).

Of course we do. Guns in stores is NOT what causes crime. Crime predates the appearence of firearms.

The universal reason for killing with a weapon is because it is easier than killing without one.

The universal reason for killing (with or without) is to accomplish some sort of objective, whether for money, power, or just to entertain ones self, ect.

Besides, anybody who has read PA Luty's Expedient Homemade Firearms knows that anybody with $100 bucks, a local hardware store and an IQ above room temperature can build a fully functional submachine gun, all from materials that I gar-un-tee you will never see banned, no-sir-ee.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia, No - it's like any other arms race:  the deterrant factor.

In that case, I'd like a cache of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons please. Can't be too careful you know.[/b][/quote]

NBC deterrant weapons generally use the M.A.D. principle to deter, and it is generally obvious that you will not use it because it would kill you too and that is self defeating. You want something that you can kill the other guy with that will not certainly kill you also.

Yes, I know you were joking, I just thought I'd point that out for any nimrods that didnt.

You gotta winder what it is about "shall not be infringed" that is not understood by Legislators, and particularly by citizens?
Allan

[dotcoma]

Allen, what about those evil Jews that run the US? Obviously we need to get their guns, correct?

No, baiter, we (the People) have no authority to do anything against those "evil jews", as you called them. Jews do control the U.S. government, don't they?

What Americans need to do is force the U.S. government to obey the oath of office and quit kowtowing (bowing) to the jew.
Allan

[dotcoma]

Jews do not control the US., Allen. Put down whatever you are reading. If ANYONE controls the US it's Europe.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia, No - it's like any other arms race:  the deterrant factor.

In that case, I'd like a cache of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons please. Can't be too careful you know.[/b][/quote]

My government has them for that reason...does yours not?

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Mia, My government has them for that reason...does yours not?

I would like to acquire them on the behalf of the Iraqi people, they need them for protection.