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msjaxn2004 · Feb 1, 2005, 06:45 pm

Why is it that the American Government is sending all this money to the Tsunami victims instead of keeping it here in America? They've even gone as far as asking the private citizens themselves to send over there hard earned cash. I didn't see any of those people to anxious to help us when we had a tragedy!

G. Adams · Feb 1, 2005, 06:59 pm

When did you ever have a tragedy that killed even near as many people? If the US ever was hit by a natural disaster that killed 200 000 the world would step up to help you.

Have some fucking compassion, asshole.

RickSp · Feb 1, 2005, 07:02 pm

My wife and I sent a donation as large as we could afford to the victims of this terrible tragedy. We were among millions of other generous Americans who have donated as well.

If you are so mean-spirited as to not find sympathy for the victims of this natural distaster whether because they are on the other side of the world, members of other religons, brown skinned, or merely poor, well that is your problem, not mine.

Scribbler1 · Feb 1, 2005, 07:19 pm

OK, before it continues, NO MORE personal insults!
Everyone has a right to an opinion.

Mr.Vicchio · Feb 1, 2005, 07:56 pm

America has and will continue to be very giving. While I think that we give TOO much, Americans privetly donate more money then any other country.

msjaxn2004 · Feb 1, 2005, 08:26 pm

First off I am not discriminating against anyone for being any way whatsoever. I am merely saying that if a natural disaster did happen, god forbid, that no other country would help America nearly as much as America helps them. That is one of the reasons America is in sooooo much debt. I think it would be perfectly fine and expected of America to help other countries in need, but it comes to a point where you have to think about your own country. That is what being a "leader" is about. And for the person with the RUDE comments, that just shows your unintelligence. You shouldn't be on a "DEBATING" web-site if all you want to do is impose your opinions and vulgarity on an innocent person with different opinions.

RickSp · Feb 1, 2005, 08:48 pm

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I am merely saying that if a natural disaster did happen, god forbid, that no other country would help America nearly as much as America helps them. That is one of the reasons America is in sooooo much debt.

We have a $385 billion budget deficit this year and a $75 trillion dollar national debt. We are spending close to $2 billion a month killing folks in Iraq. And private credit card debt in the US totals around $60 billion. The US government has pledged $350 million in tsunami relief.

Yup, it is the tsunami aid that must have gotten us into all that debt all right. No doubt about it.

msjaxn2004 · Feb 1, 2005, 08:55 pm

"ONE" reason! I don't agree with alot of things the government foots the bill for. This was just one thing that was on my mind at this moment. No massive debt is aquired by one thing, it is a lot of small things put together. $350 million saved is $350 million earned.

RickSp · Feb 1, 2005, 09:21 pm

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"ONE" reason! I don't agree with alot of things the government foots the bill for. This was just one thing that was on my mind at this moment. No massive debt is aquired by one thing, it is a lot of small things put together. $350 million saved is $350 million earned.

Oh please. Buy a calculator. Or a sense of perspective.

Americans spend $15 billion every year on dog food.

According to the GAO the US Coalition Authority under Paul Bremer simply can't account for $9 billion dollars. oops.

The Air Force spent $18 billion to develop the F-22 fighter plane then had it cancelled as too expensive.

The Bush adminstration is spending $10 billion next year for a completely useless missle defense system that can't defend anyone against incoming missles.

With the new $80 billion request, the US will have poured $300 billion down a rat hole in the senseless war in Iraq.

And on and on and on.

Yah, $350 million dollars is still a lot of money. Private American donations are now approaching $750 million. And it might actually help save a lot of lives and do a lot of good. It is a shame you think this is such a terrible thing.

giuliano · Feb 1, 2005, 09:26 pm

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I didn't see any of those people to anxious to help us when we had a tragedy!

most of them don't have TVs to even watch the 9/11 attacks, i'm not allowed to insult you so let's leave it at that.

tinybear · Feb 1, 2005, 11:52 pm

America is the superpower of the world. Everybody thinks we can take care of ourselves. Of course they won't offer to help.

G. Adams · Feb 2, 2005, 08:34 am

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And for the person with the RUDE comments, that just shows your unintelligence. You shouldn't be on a "DEBATING" web-site if all you want to do is impose your opinions and vulgarity on an innocent person with different opinions.

It's G. Adams, I consider that kind of skirting not only rude but cowardly.

You believe I am unintelligent because I insult you? How about because you pissed me off? I didn't struggle to find words to deal with you, I struggled to find you worthwhile to reply to.

I think the 1000+ posts where I do debate suggest that I am here to debate.

I have never, nor will ever, impose my opinions or vulgarity on innocent people with differing opinions. I will however impose both upon assholes.

Now, regarding your original post. This IS a debate site, not a ranting one, rants are for the flame-fest and, to an extent, the general discussion areas. A debate requires that someone posits a question, and their argument either way. You, sir, posed neither. You raised an opinion, a rant if you will.

I, in turn, will respond with opinion, if that is the level of "debate" you open your topic with.

Again, the world would aid the United States if it suffered such a disaster. I don't know if you remember but when you were attacked on 11th of September 2001, the world rallied around you. We also fought alongside you in Afghanistan, and now my country is also the second largest force in Iraq, and we are doing this not because we wanted to, but because we are your allies.

The US and the rest of the world are helping the tsunami victims because they are in such a position as to not help themselves, and a speedy recovery was neccesary to avoid further unnecessary deaths.

When the US suffers a disaster that puts them in similar position, the world will help. However, if the US does not help the weak when it needs it desperately, your reputation will suffer, and make reciprocal aid unlikely.

I will expand my my original parting statement, one that is not based on my anger or "unintelligance", but is accurate upon the image of yourself you have so far presented.

Have some foresight and compassion, you naive ignoramous. (see? no insult, just truth, even though truth might hurt)

SVMc · Feb 4, 2005, 10:34 pm

Two things, America may make some of the largest dollar figure foreign aid contributions, but when compared to the comparitiave GDP of other countries giving aid many developing and LDC's are large donors considering the size of their respective pocket books.

And America did receive a lot of foreign aid for 9/11, the world did not stand idly by when that happened. But it is precisely the attitude that America stands alone should not help anyone but themselves that makes a bad global political image for America.

Feb 1, 2005, 06:45 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
msjaxn2004 Sedimentary Rock Location: MS Posts: 4	Helping the Unhelpful? Why is it that the American Government is sending all this money to the Tsunami victims instead of keeping it here in America? They've even gone as far as asking the private citizens themselves to send over there hard earned cash. I didn't see any of those people to anxious to help us when we had a tragedy!

Feb 1, 2005, 06:59 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,161	When did you ever have a tragedy that killed even near as many people? If the US ever was hit by a natural disaster that killed 200 000 the world would step up to help you. Have some fucking compassion, asshole. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Feb 1, 2005, 07:02 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,589	My wife and I sent a donation as large as we could afford to the victims of this terrible tragedy. We were among millions of other generous Americans who have donated as well. If you are so mean-spirited as to not find sympathy for the victims of this natural distaster whether because they are on the other side of the world, members of other religons, brown skinned, or merely poor, well that is your problem, not mine. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

Feb 1, 2005, 07:56 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	America has and will continue to be very giving. While I think that we give TOO much, Americans privetly donate more money then any other country. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Feb 1, 2005, 07:19 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	OK, before it continues, NO MORE personal insults! Everyone has a right to an opinion.

Feb 1, 2005, 08:26 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
msjaxn2004 Sedimentary Rock Location: MS Posts: 4	First off I am not discriminating against anyone for being any way whatsoever. I am merely saying that if a natural disaster did happen, god forbid, that no other country would help America nearly as much as America helps them. That is one of the reasons America is in sooooo much debt. I think it would be perfectly fine and expected of America to help other countries in need, but it comes to a point where you have to think about your own country. That is what being a "leader" is about. And for the person with the RUDE comments, that just shows your unintelligence. You shouldn't be on a "DEBATING" web-site if all you want to do is impose your opinions and vulgarity on an innocent person with different opinions.

Feb 1, 2005, 08:55 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
msjaxn2004 Sedimentary Rock Location: MS Posts: 4	"ONE" reason! I don't agree with alot of things the government foots the bill for. This was just one thing that was on my mind at this moment. No massive debt is aquired by one thing, it is a lot of small things put together. $350 million saved is $350 million earned.

Feb 1, 2005, 11:52 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,100	America is the superpower of the world. Everybody thinks we can take care of ourselves. Of course they won't offer to help.

Feb 4, 2005, 10:34 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
SVMc Lazy Sniper Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 513	Two things, America may make some of the largest dollar figure foreign aid contributions, but when compared to the comparitiave GDP of other countries giving aid many developing and LDC's are large donors considering the size of their respective pocket books. And America did receive a lot of foreign aid for 9/11, the world did not stand idly by when that happened. But it is precisely the attitude that America stands alone should not help anyone but themselves that makes a bad global political image for America.