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Mr.Vicchio · Jan 26, 2005, 12:06 am

This had me going WTF?

Paying my ex to live off me gets me a tax break. Taking care of my children... does not.

Considering I don't PAY alimony but pay a higher then average child support check.. I thought this was tottaly hosed that I cannot get a tax break for paying almsot 1/3 of my paycheck.

Oh on the subject of hosed, I am getting re-married in June (yeah me!) and I learned that my Fiance's income, will be factored into my child support payments after we wed.

That's tottaly hosed.

This coattails my previous threads and posts on how fathers have no rights.

bishop · Jan 26, 2005, 12:31 am

that is some bullshit for real.

a guy i know is getting destroyed by his ex right now.. the lady is a vicious cunt of a homewrecker.. too long to ramble off what she's done, but suffice it to say she's scum. stuff like that makes me not want to ever get married.

Mr.Vicchio · Jan 26, 2005, 12:34 am

Marriage is something I have learned, you don't get into unless you WANT too, not need, notthink, WANT it. Both of you, 100%.

My fiance is, for lack of a better term, the perfect mate for me.

Young, educated (she gets her degree this year woot!) a Gamer, a conservative, and doesn't get hung up on stupid shit like dates and times. She's perfect.

bishop · Jan 26, 2005, 12:51 am

well, good luck with that.. hell, hopefully it doesn't turn out like the last one did, right?

i love my girlfriend, live with her and plan on marrying her someday.. but hearing all of the various horror stories definitely makes me pause a bit. i'm going to be pretty well off in a couple years and i don't want a sour relationship robbing me blind.

tinybear · Jan 26, 2005, 12:58 am

What's going to happen in a couple of year's time?

BloodEagle · Jan 26, 2005, 01:40 am

Mr Vichio,

Have you sought legal advise on your wife's wages being used? They ask for that info in the UK too but according to basic human rights laws you do not have to give that information. Your partner has nothing to do with the children and so has no responsibility with regards to their financial upbringing. They tried to get my partners info when i went for an interview with them and i refused to give it on that basis. They actually did not argue the point at all and dropped it after i argued the human rights.

Mr.Vicchio · Jan 26, 2005, 01:52 am

From what I understand, the State of Kansas can and will take her income into acocunt. Why?

We are legally a single entity, my income is her income is my income sort of mentality.

Nothing I can do about it that I know of. The reason I was given aside that is, what if she pulled 100k a year and I chose to, flip burgers at McDonalds to avoid paying high child support payments...

It's a hosed system. I pay what I am asked, I have joint custody of the kids (even if in Maine I cannot see them often) but this is over the top.

BloodEagle · Jan 26, 2005, 01:57 am

I Guess in some ways we are lucky. If the UK laws don't seem quite right we can go the the european courts who are big into human rights. I would still seek legal advice to see if anything can be done. Is there not some kind of US laws/ rights that supercede the state ones? what about some of the basic constitutional rights?

If you have become a single entity then surely the state must therefore regocnise that the new single entity is now only 50% responsible for the children and so should accordingly pay only 50% of the required child support? LOL don't suppose you could get away with that arguement though eh?

Mr.Vicchio · Jan 26, 2005, 02:06 am

I can try, but from how the marriage and divorce laws, and the state rights work in America, an over-ridding law on a federal level isn't something I am likely to find.

BloodEagle · Jan 26, 2005, 02:22 am

here's a couple of snippets that may or may not help ok:

The amount that can be withheld from an employee's disposable wages is limited by the Federal Consumer Credit Protection Act (FCCPA) to 50 percent of disposable earnings if an obligated parent has a second family and 60 percent if there is no second family. These limits are each increased by 5 percent (to 55% and 65%) if payments are in arrears for a period equal to 12 weeks or more. State law may further limit the amount that can be taken from a wage earner's paycheck.

Take a look at this link. It is posted by the soon to be wife of a man that pays child support and she is concerned about her income etc being used.:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=416953

Mr.Vicchio · Jan 26, 2005, 02:35 am

Oh nice, TY TY TY.

Good stuff.

BloodEagle · Jan 26, 2005, 02:51 am

you are welcome. I will keep my fingers crossed for you. I know how stressful it can be. My ex gets payments of me but altogther is on a lot more money than i am on and i have a new family to support too.

Mia · Mar 21, 2005, 04:39 am

Quote:

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio

From what I understand, the State of Kansas can and will take her income into acocunt. Why?

We are legally a single entity, my income is her income is my income sort of mentality.

Nothing I can do about it that I know of. The reason I was given aside that is, what if she pulled 100k a year and I chose to, flip burgers at McDonalds to avoid paying high child support payments...

It's a hosed system. I pay what I am asked, I have joint custody of the kids (even if in Maine I cannot see them often) but this is over the top.

But why would you do that? If you were still married to your first wife, would you take a lower paying job to give less to your children? I won't make a judgement on whether I think it's fair for the law in your state to include your wife's income, but aside from the law, the two of you WILL be a unit, and won't you both want the best for your kids?

The tax thing is whack, though. Are you talking state or federal? Because I thought you do get to claim it on Federal, but in Texas we don't have state tax so I'm not familiar with it.

Congrats on your engagement. Or is it on your marriage by the time I'm reading this?

OberonDOtherseid · Mar 30, 2005, 05:05 pm

I don't believe that any woman in todays day and age should get alimony, most especially from lower middle class to poverty level classes. All of society is encompassed around women, think about it. How the hell can a woman "empower" themselves and prove she needs a man like a fish needs a bike when her hand is out looking for a man to fill it?

Mia · Mar 30, 2005, 06:15 pm

I don't agree with it either, unless the woman took herself out of the work force to raise kids, and then her hubby dumps her. Now she's at a disadvantage for doing what they both agreed was right. There are a few situations where I think it's warranted, but not many.

AlmostAlice · Mar 30, 2005, 06:28 pm

Mr. Vicchio,

As an aside--have you considered trying to have the State of Maine take over your child support case? From what I understand (which isn't much), your ex is in Kansas with the kids, and therefore Kansas is handling the child support, right? Some states will allow you to take control of the case and bring it to your own state. Maine's law may not require your soon-to-be wife's income to be used for calculating child support.

Good luck.

Mr.Vicchio · Mar 30, 2005, 06:29 pm

It's not a matter of assing out the kids, but if she hadn't left, I wouldn't have married my fiance, and that 100k would never have come into the picture.

I wouldn't intentionally take a lower paying job to avoid child support costs. But what if that's all I could get for a job...

See my point?

Lilith · Mar 31, 2005, 04:36 pm

I feel for you too. It's wrong for you're new wife's income to be calculated in. It's her income not yours. So now your ex is going to get a real nice paycheck now. I'm sure you have a fairly decent job yourself, plus you said that you also pay her alimony too? Well my gosh...does she even have to work? Not that it really is any of my buissness..but I know that if I was fixing to marry a man paying child support, I would be livid if my income was fixing to axed also. I would expect him to take care of his kids...but er...I would be more apt to do nice things for the kids of my own choice...not have my income whacked(espacially when they were not mine....)

I know a girl at work who is married to a guy who pays child support...I'm not sure if her income is calculated in...but I always get to hear about her frustrations when the ex always has her hand out for money...it's like she expects since my friend has a good job...she just thinks they are rolling in money and always expect them to provide everything for that kid on top of child support...Hell every article of clothing that kid wears, is because they buy it..her mother does not buy anything extra for that kid she expects them to do it..and it's not like she does not have a good career or any other children to worry about. It's sad when it revolves around money and the kids get lost in the shuffle...not that that is your case, Mr. Vicchio, just making conversation.

Jan 26, 2005, 12:06 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	I just learned that I get a tax break for alimony payments, but not child support.. This had me going WTF? Paying my ex to live off me gets me a tax break. Taking care of my children... does not. Considering I don't PAY alimony but pay a higher then average child support check.. I thought this was tottaly hosed that I cannot get a tax break for paying almsot 1/3 of my paycheck. Oh on the subject of hosed, I am getting re-married in June (yeah me!) and I learned that my Fiance's income, will be factored into my child support payments after we wed. That's tottaly hosed. This coattails my previous threads and posts on how fathers have no rights. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jan 26, 2005, 12:34 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Marriage is something I have learned, you don't get into unless you WANT too, not need, notthink, WANT it. Both of you, 100%. My fiance is, for lack of a better term, the perfect mate for me. Young, educated (she gets her degree this year woot!) a Gamer, a conservative, and doesn't get hung up on stupid shit like dates and times. She's perfect. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jan 26, 2005, 01:52 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	From what I understand, the State of Kansas can and will take her income into acocunt. Why? We are legally a single entity, my income is her income is my income sort of mentality. Nothing I can do about it that I know of. The reason I was given aside that is, what if she pulled 100k a year and I chose to, flip burgers at McDonalds to avoid paying high child support payments... It's a hosed system. I pay what I am asked, I have joint custody of the kids (even if in Maine I cannot see them often) but this is over the top. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jan 26, 2005, 02:06 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	I can try, but from how the marriage and divorce laws, and the state rights work in America, an over-ridding law on a federal level isn't something I am likely to find. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jan 26, 2005, 02:35 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Oh nice, TY TY TY. Good stuff. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jan 26, 2005, 12:31 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	that is some bullshit for real. a guy i know is getting destroyed by his ex right now.. the lady is a vicious cunt of a homewrecker.. too long to ramble off what she's done, but suffice it to say she's scum. stuff like that makes me not want to ever get married.

Jan 26, 2005, 12:51 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	well, good luck with that.. hell, hopefully it doesn't turn out like the last one did, right? i love my girlfriend, live with her and plan on marrying her someday.. but hearing all of the various horror stories definitely makes me pause a bit. i'm going to be pretty well off in a couple years and i don't want a sour relationship robbing me blind.

Jan 26, 2005, 12:58 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,002	What's going to happen in a couple of year's time?

Jan 26, 2005, 01:40 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
BloodEagle Molten Ash Posts: 103	Mr Vichio, Have you sought legal advise on your wife's wages being used? They ask for that info in the UK too but according to basic human rights laws you do not have to give that information. Your partner has nothing to do with the children and so has no responsibility with regards to their financial upbringing. They tried to get my partners info when i went for an interview with them and i refused to give it on that basis. They actually did not argue the point at all and dropped it after i argued the human rights.

Jan 26, 2005, 01:57 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
BloodEagle Molten Ash Posts: 103	I Guess in some ways we are lucky. If the UK laws don't seem quite right we can go the the european courts who are big into human rights. I would still seek legal advice to see if anything can be done. Is there not some kind of US laws/ rights that supercede the state ones? what about some of the basic constitutional rights? If you have become a single entity then surely the state must therefore regocnise that the new single entity is now only 50% responsible for the children and so should accordingly pay only 50% of the required child support? LOL don't suppose you could get away with that arguement though eh?

Jan 26, 2005, 02:22 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
BloodEagle Molten Ash Posts: 103	here's a couple of snippets that may or may not help ok: The amount that can be withheld from an employee's disposable wages is limited by the Federal Consumer Credit Protection Act (FCCPA) to 50 percent of disposable earnings if an obligated parent has a second family and 60 percent if there is no second family. These limits are each increased by 5 percent (to 55% and 65%) if payments are in arrears for a period equal to 12 weeks or more. State law may further limit the amount that can be taken from a wage earner's paycheck. Take a look at this link. It is posted by the soon to be wife of a man that pays child support and she is concerned about her income etc being used.: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=416953

Jan 26, 2005, 02:51 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
BloodEagle Molten Ash Posts: 103	you are welcome. I will keep my fingers crossed for you. I know how stressful it can be. My ex gets payments of me but altogther is on a lot more money than i am on and i have a new family to support too.

Mar 30, 2005, 05:05 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
OberonDOtherseid Logic Via Reality Posts: 653	I don't believe that any woman in todays day and age should get alimony, most especially from lower middle class to poverty level classes. All of society is encompassed around women, think about it. How the hell can a woman "empower" themselves and prove she needs a man like a fish needs a bike when her hand is out looking for a man to fill it? George Bush kicks ass and takes names in 2005!!

Mar 30, 2005, 06:15 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	I don't agree with it either, unless the woman took herself out of the work force to raise kids, and then her hubby dumps her. Now she's at a disadvantage for doing what they both agreed was right. There are a few situations where I think it's warranted, but not many. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 30, 2005, 06:28 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
AlmostAlice Sedimentary Rock Location: South Carolina Posts: 17	Mr. Vicchio, As an aside--have you considered trying to have the State of Maine take over your child support case? From what I understand (which isn't much), your ex is in Kansas with the kids, and therefore Kansas is handling the child support, right? Some states will allow you to take control of the case and bring it to your own state. Maine's law may not require your soon-to-be wife's income to be used for calculating child support. Good luck.

Mar 30, 2005, 06:29 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	It's not a matter of assing out the kids, but if she hadn't left, I wouldn't have married my fiance, and that 100k would never have come into the picture. I wouldn't intentionally take a lower paying job to avoid child support costs. But what if that's all I could get for a job... See my point? Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Mar 31, 2005, 04:36 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
Lilith It's my life Location: Texas Posts: 532	I feel for you too. It's wrong for you're new wife's income to be calculated in. It's her income not yours. So now your ex is going to get a real nice paycheck now. I'm sure you have a fairly decent job yourself, plus you said that you also pay her alimony too? Well my gosh...does she even have to work? Not that it really is any of my buissness..but I know that if I was fixing to marry a man paying child support, I would be livid if my income was fixing to axed also. I would expect him to take care of his kids...but er...I would be more apt to do nice things for the kids of my own choice...not have my income whacked(espacially when they were not mine....) I know a girl at work who is married to a guy who pays child support...I'm not sure if her income is calculated in...but I always get to hear about her frustrations when the ex always has her hand out for money...it's like she expects since my friend has a good job...she just thinks they are rolling in money and always expect them to provide everything for that kid on top of child support...Hell every article of clothing that kid wears, is because they buy it..her mother does not buy anything extra for that kid she expects them to do it..and it's not like she does not have a good career or any other children to worry about. It's sad when it revolves around money and the kids get lost in the shuffle...not that that is your case, Mr. Vicchio, just making conversation. If you want the country to go to hell in a handbasket, then vote for the one who can drive you there blindfolded.