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tinybear · Jan 19, 2005, 02:06 am

Is it overrated? What's so good about it? Is justice served?

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...77.htm&sc=1120

Gorgo · Jan 19, 2005, 05:33 am

I think the whole "justice system", especially the jury system is an archaic, ridiculous idea.

Do I know how to fix it. No way. I wonder if we'd be better off to have nothing, than to have what we have.

castille · Jan 19, 2005, 10:33 am

Well if we have nothing, tribes of young boys will be roaming the streets fighting each other for "turf".

Hell, it's happened in Sierra Leone for about a decade or two.

Of course in an anarchist society I can finally achieve my dream of becoming a bounty hunter...

Gorgo · Jan 19, 2005, 11:12 am

I think they do that now Castille.

tinybear · Jan 19, 2005, 11:41 am

They do? :eek:

Gorgo · Jan 19, 2005, 12:02 pm

The U.S. has gangs. Some of them invade other countries.

tinybear · Jan 19, 2005, 12:31 pm

Do they invade Mexico?

Gorgo · Jan 19, 2005, 12:37 pm

The U.S. military has invaded Mexico in the past. They've invaded many countries. They are invading many countries. now. They use many different guises. The CIA, the NED, the IRI, the IMF.

Catch 22 · Jan 19, 2005, 06:42 pm

I think a trial by jury is a good system when it's policed properly. The main issues I see with trial by jury is that there is a huge bias against blacks and other minorities. They get found guilty by a proportion that's vastly out of whack for those of white descent but of the same socioeconomic origin.

castille · Jan 22, 2005, 04:13 am

Quote:

Quote by: Gorgo

I think they do that now Castille.

So in the US, platoons of 10-year-old kids with assault rifles and rocket grenades take part in civil wars?

You might think you have it bad in the US (what with Michael Jackson and Queer Eye), but you've never been to Sierra Leone.

Capt Lee · Jan 22, 2005, 10:14 am

If you want to know what a Common Law court and a real jury looks like go to:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html

Otherwise, you don't know what your talking about.

The courts you find displeasure with now are all Uniform Commercial Code jurisdictions because of the incorporation of those jurisdictions. You can recognize them because they are all in capital letters. such as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, STATE OF LOUISIANA, LOUISIANA STATE POLICE, 23RD JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT. These are all corporations. These UCC courts assume when you respond to thier summons that you appear as a part of the corporation. Look at your drivers license. JOE BLOW. The name in all capital letters is a legal fiction when in fact you are Joe Blow. Joe Blow is a flesh and blood living person. The legal fiction JOE BLOW, a corporate legal fiction and JOE BLOW does not exist.

Corporations are just an idea in the mind of a group of men and do not physically exist. Since it does not exist physically, it cannot have physical damage. To file any charge against you there must somehow be a complaint filed with the court. The officer who wrote the ticket belongs to a corporation. Unless he has sustained damage he cannot be a complainant. But, He may be a witness.. The officer is usually ignorant in the law and just following orders. He is easy to discredit in court as a witness. Unelss the UCC court has a complaint from a legit complainant, it has no cause to prosecute. Since the corporate UCC is Maritime or Merchant law it's jurisdiction is solely involved in acts of commerse. It illegally oversteps it's jurisdiction by not informing the sovereign of the distinction betweem the legal fiction of JOE BLOW, and the flesh and blood Joe Blow a Constitutional Common Law sovereign of his state. Joe Blow may retain his Constitution rights before a UCC court by notification to the court of UCC 1-207. This is the problem. The courts are near ignorant of these laws and jurisdictions. It does not practice law but merely practices "court". For the UCC courts to acknowledge your Constitutional rights is equivelant to brreaking thier own rice bowl because a Common Law court does not need attorneys and the judge plays an insignificant role in the process. In Common Law the jury is the prosecutor and the defender and simply instructs the judge on what action to take in it's decision.

Capt Lee

common

Jan 19, 2005, 02:06 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Trial By Jury Is it overrated? What's so good about it? Is justice served? http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...77.htm&sc=1120

Jan 19, 2005, 10:33 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Well if we have nothing, tribes of young boys will be roaming the streets fighting each other for "turf". Hell, it's happened in Sierra Leone for about a decade or two. Of course in an anarchist society I can finally achieve my dream of becoming a bounty hunter... Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 19, 2005, 06:42 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Catch 22 Igneous Magma Posts: 374	I think a trial by jury is a good system when it's policed properly. The main issues I see with trial by jury is that there is a huge bias against blacks and other minorities. They get found guilty by a proportion that's vastly out of whack for those of white descent but of the same socioeconomic origin. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered Martin Luther King Jr.

Jan 22, 2005, 10:14 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Capt Lee Molten Ash Posts: 35	Lack of knowledge If you want to know what a Common Law court and a real jury looks like go to: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html Otherwise, you don't know what your talking about. The courts you find displeasure with now are all Uniform Commercial Code jurisdictions because of the incorporation of those jurisdictions. You can recognize them because they are all in capital letters. such as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, STATE OF LOUISIANA, LOUISIANA STATE POLICE, 23RD JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT. These are all corporations. These UCC courts assume when you respond to thier summons that you appear as a part of the corporation. Look at your drivers license. JOE BLOW. The name in all capital letters is a legal fiction when in fact you are Joe Blow. Joe Blow is a flesh and blood living person. The legal fiction JOE BLOW, a corporate legal fiction and JOE BLOW does not exist. Corporations are just an idea in the mind of a group of men and do not physically exist. Since it does not exist physically, it cannot have physical damage. To file any charge against you there must somehow be a complaint filed with the court. The officer who wrote the ticket belongs to a corporation. Unless he has sustained damage he cannot be a complainant. But, He may be a witness.. The officer is usually ignorant in the law and just following orders. He is easy to discredit in court as a witness. Unelss the UCC court has a complaint from a legit complainant, it has no cause to prosecute. Since the corporate UCC is Maritime or Merchant law it's jurisdiction is solely involved in acts of commerse. It illegally oversteps it's jurisdiction by not informing the sovereign of the distinction betweem the legal fiction of JOE BLOW, and the flesh and blood Joe Blow a Constitutional Common Law sovereign of his state. Joe Blow may retain his Constitution rights before a UCC court by notification to the court of UCC 1-207. This is the problem. The courts are near ignorant of these laws and jurisdictions. It does not practice law but merely practices "court". For the UCC courts to acknowledge your Constitutional rights is equivelant to brreaking thier own rice bowl because a Common Law court does not need attorneys and the judge plays an insignificant role in the process. In Common Law the jury is the prosecutor and the defender and simply instructs the judge on what action to take in it's decision. Capt Lee common

Jan 19, 2005, 05:33 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	I think the whole "justice system", especially the jury system is an archaic, ridiculous idea. Do I know how to fix it. No way. I wonder if we'd be better off to have nothing, than to have what we have.

Jan 19, 2005, 11:12 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	I think they do that now Castille.

Jan 19, 2005, 11:41 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	They do? :eek:

Jan 19, 2005, 12:02 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	The U.S. has gangs. Some of them invade other countries.

Jan 19, 2005, 12:31 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Do they invade Mexico?

Jan 19, 2005, 12:37 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	The U.S. military has invaded Mexico in the past. They've invaded many countries. They are invading many countries. now. They use many different guises. The CIA, the NED, the IRI, the IMF.