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tinybear · Jan 17, 2005, 09:47 am

Do you think it should be decriminalized and incestuous unions be recognized as valid marriages? Please discuss and express your views.

faith · Jan 17, 2005, 09:53 am

there's a saying, you cant help who you fall in love with!!
i dont agree with it but i dont love my brother enough to want to marry him so unless you feel that way you wont know how the two people involve feel!
my mum use to say if you have sex with someone you are related to any baby you had would have 2 heads :( so not relivant i know but.....

tinybear · Jan 17, 2005, 09:55 am

So is that a yay or a nay? Do you support legalizing incest?

Gorgo · Jan 17, 2005, 09:58 am

Are there health risks for the child? I don't care who consenting adults have sex with, but if you're risking having a child with health problems then that's a different matter.

tinybear · Jan 17, 2005, 10:02 am

So if they swear not to have any children, you'd say "yes"?

Gorgo · Jan 17, 2005, 10:05 am

If they are consenting adults and there is no reason to think that a possible child is in danger I don't see what the problem is. I'm not sure that there are health risks to the child. Are there more risks than any other sexual union? I don't know.

faith · Jan 17, 2005, 10:06 am

well i dont know about the health risks involved i was just saying what my mum told me probably what her mum told her and so on.

as long as they are not hurting anyone else (including unborn children through genetics) two people who love each other should be able to marry!

didnt a man marry a horse?? must have been on jerry springer lol

faith · Jan 17, 2005, 10:23 am

quote "A major argument against incest is genetics. If you allow two closely related people to marry, their offspring may be prone to some serious defects because he or she would have genetic defects and poor general health."

taken from http://www.americandaily.com/article/5431 titled "are you ready for incest?"

Gorgo · Jan 17, 2005, 10:28 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#...ions_of_incest

faith · Jan 17, 2005, 10:35 am

Quote:

Quote by: tinybear

So if they swear not to have any children, you'd say "yes"?

yeah probably

but like all marriages it might not last anyway
but we couldnt stop them having children because then your all about human rights and so on,but also you dont have to be married to have children so.... :confused:

Ningning · Jan 17, 2005, 11:00 am

Allowing related people to get married would open up a huge can of worms to deal with. How are you going to prevent them from having children...neuter them? and if they do have children how to do you deal with it. And then i'm sure many people would try to have children in secret, with possibly serious repercussions on the unsupecting child and/or his/her future offspring.

KittyKat · Jan 17, 2005, 11:23 am

Go ahead and legalize it. If you really want to marry your brother or cousin, go for it. How can you prevent anyone from having children? Too many people who shouldn't have kids do.

K

tinybear · Jan 17, 2005, 11:46 am

OK, so how come nobody's come out to demand decriminalization and recognition of incestuous marriages?

Scribbler1 · Jan 17, 2005, 06:33 pm

I was raised to think it is just to strange to contemplate, but I oppose it for what I consider a valid reason.
If either parent in a "normal" relationship is prone to having some sort of flaw, such as retardation, baldness, diabetes or joining the Democratic Party, having offspring with a close relative may double the chance of the kid getting something like that which may ordinarily lie dormant or it may surface in the following generation.
The taboo seems to have worked for all these years so why tinker with it, unless there is some actual benefit I'm not aware of.

tinybear · Jan 17, 2005, 11:45 pm

No actual benefit; just a matter of rights (or so I'm led to believe).

Waychel · Jan 18, 2005, 12:26 am

If we legalize incest then we legalize molestation -- simple as that.

Honestly, this is getting ridiculous, now...

Starboy · Jan 18, 2005, 12:56 am

Quote:

Quote by: Scribbler1

I was raised to think it is just to strange to contemplate, but I oppose it for what I consider a valid reason.
If either parent in a "normal" relationship is prone to having some sort of flaw, such as retardation, baldness, diabetes or joining the Democratic Party, having offspring with a close relative may double the chance of the kid getting something like that which may ordinarily lie dormant or it may surface in the following generation.
The taboo seems to have worked for all these years so why tinker with it, unless there is some actual benefit I'm not aware of.

The taboo existed in the past because of the genetic problems it caused. However there may come a time when it will not matter. Perhaps the couple will go to a fertility clinic and provide their genetic material and just the healthy genes will be combined to form what the parents consider to be the perfect child with little to no genetic illnesses. Then again the ultimate incest would be to allow you to clone yourself. In the end it is all about making babies. As long as the job gets done and there is sufficient variation to survive changes in the environment then who cares.

Starboy

tinybear · Jan 18, 2005, 01:50 am

Quote:

Quote by: Waychel

If we legalize incest then we legalize molestation -- simple as that.

Honestly, this is getting ridiculous, now...

Waychel> It doesn't follow does it? Molestation remains a crime.

Starboy · Jan 18, 2005, 02:31 am

tinybear, I have seen enough of Weychels arguments to know that her/his form of argument is conflation. Because some polygamists do incest and incest is bad therefore polygamy is bad. It is a stupid argument by Weychel thinks it is brilliant. So there you have it for Weychel.

Starboy

Waychel · Jan 18, 2005, 03:16 am

Starboy: Speaking of levels of stupidity, I should inform you that this debate is in regards to incest and not polygamy.

tinybear: If incest were made legal, then a parent would legally be able to marry their own child. If you do not see the connection here between molestation, then you are the one not following.

"Shooting people in the head should be legalized."
"But... that would be murder."
"No, murder remains a crime; we're just talking about shooting people in the head!"

Jan 17, 2005, 09:47 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Incest Do you think it should be decriminalized and incestuous unions be recognized as valid marriages? Please discuss and express your views.

Jan 17, 2005, 09:53 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
faith Molten Ash Location: uk Posts: 128	there's a saying, you cant help who you fall in love with!! i dont agree with it but i dont love my brother enough to want to marry him so unless you feel that way you wont know how the two people involve feel! my mum use to say if you have sex with someone you are related to any baby you had would have 2 heads :( so not relivant i know but..... Live and love for today! There may be no tomorrow!

Jan 17, 2005, 10:06 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
faith Molten Ash Location: uk Posts: 128	well i dont know about the health risks involved i was just saying what my mum told me probably what her mum told her and so on. as long as they are not hurting anyone else (including unborn children through genetics) two people who love each other should be able to marry! didnt a man marry a horse?? must have been on jerry springer lol Live and love for today! There may be no tomorrow!

Jan 17, 2005, 10:23 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
faith Molten Ash Location: uk Posts: 128	quote "A major argument against incest is genetics. If you allow two closely related people to marry, their offspring may be prone to some serious defects because he or she would have genetic defects and poor general health." taken from http://www.americandaily.com/article/5431 titled "are you ready for incest?" Live and love for today! There may be no tomorrow!

Jan 18, 2005, 12:26 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	If we legalize incest then we legalize molestation -- simple as that. Honestly, this is getting ridiculous, now... Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Jan 17, 2005, 09:55 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	So is that a yay or a nay? Do you support legalizing incest?

Jan 17, 2005, 09:58 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Are there health risks for the child? I don't care who consenting adults have sex with, but if you're risking having a child with health problems then that's a different matter.

Jan 17, 2005, 10:02 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	So if they swear not to have any children, you'd say "yes"?

Jan 17, 2005, 10:05 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	If they are consenting adults and there is no reason to think that a possible child is in danger I don't see what the problem is. I'm not sure that there are health risks to the child. Are there more risks than any other sexual union? I don't know.

Jan 17, 2005, 10:28 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#...ions_of_incest

Jan 17, 2005, 11:00 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Ningning Molten Ash Posts: 35	Allowing related people to get married would open up a huge can of worms to deal with. How are you going to prevent them from having children...neuter them? and if they do have children how to do you deal with it. And then i'm sure many people would try to have children in secret, with possibly serious repercussions on the unsupecting child and/or his/her future offspring.

Jan 17, 2005, 11:23 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
KittyKat Molten Ash Posts: 28	Go ahead and legalize it. If you really want to marry your brother or cousin, go for it. How can you prevent anyone from having children? Too many people who shouldn't have kids do. K

Jan 17, 2005, 11:46 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	OK, so how come nobody's come out to demand decriminalization and recognition of incestuous marriages?

Jan 17, 2005, 06:33 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	I was raised to think it is just to strange to contemplate, but I oppose it for what I consider a valid reason. If either parent in a "normal" relationship is prone to having some sort of flaw, such as retardation, baldness, diabetes or joining the Democratic Party, having offspring with a close relative may double the chance of the kid getting something like that which may ordinarily lie dormant or it may surface in the following generation. The taboo seems to have worked for all these years so why tinker with it, unless there is some actual benefit I'm not aware of.

Jan 17, 2005, 11:45 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	No actual benefit; just a matter of rights (or so I'm led to believe).

Jan 18, 2005, 02:31 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	tinybear, I have seen enough of Weychels arguments to know that her/his form of argument is conflation. Because some polygamists do incest and incest is bad therefore polygamy is bad. It is a stupid argument by Weychel thinks it is brilliant. So there you have it for Weychel. Starboy

Jan 18, 2005, 03:16 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	Starboy: Speaking of levels of stupidity, I should inform you that this debate is in regards to incest and not polygamy. tinybear: If incest were made legal, then a parent would legally be able to marry their own child. If you do not see the connection here between molestation, then you are the one not following. "Shooting people in the head should be legalized." "But... that would be murder." "No, murder remains a crime; we're just talking about shooting people in the head!" Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.