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The Dunedan · Jan 8, 2005, 01:25 am

Past actions mean nothing. He does not ( nor should he ) forfeit his God-given, Human, Natural, and Constitutional rights because of his prior crimes.
I'm personally of the opinion that rape should he a hanging/life sentance. However, if the State released him, it is because they ( rightly or wrongly ) believed that he was no longer a danger. This is the legal supposition behind release; that the prisoner is no longer a danger and can be safely re-introduced to society at large. Upon release, he regainst all of his Rights before the law, as he should.

tman: With all the heavily-corroborated evidence for widespread racial/economic "profiling" in this country, you must be truly blind or wilfully ignorant if you really believe that "If you get pulled over it's because you were breaking the law."

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 03:26 am

BVut cabelles has a long string of convictions. This indicates that he just doesn't learn his lesson and is a habitual offender. You still say he should walk free?

The Dunedan · Jan 8, 2005, 04:11 am

He -should- still be in prison for the rape.
However, since he -was- a freeman when this illegal search occurred, all his Rights are retained. The search was illegal; he walks.

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 04:35 am

Wow you guys are so legalistic, it's scary.

tman_ndsu08 · Jan 8, 2005, 11:03 am

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Quote by: The Dunedan

Past actions mean nothing. He does not ( nor should he ) forfeit his God-given, Human, Natural, and Constitutional rights because of his prior crimes.
I'm personally of the opinion that rape should he a hanging/life sentance. However, if the State released him, it is because they ( rightly or wrongly ) believed that he was no longer a danger. This is the legal supposition behind release; that the prisoner is no longer a danger and can be safely re-introduced to society at large. Upon release, he regainst all of his Rights before the law, as he should.

tman: With all the heavily-corroborated evidence for widespread racial/economic "profiling" in this country, you must be truly blind or wilfully ignorant if you really believe that "If you get pulled over it's because you were breaking the law."

You should never get pulled over unless you were breaking the law.

The Dunedan · Jan 8, 2005, 11:28 am

Tinybear:
I'm not a legalist, I'm an extremely strict Constitutionalist. History shows us that a single violation of a rule, no matter how insignificant that violation is, quickly leads to more and larger abuses.
"The Constitution should be taken like mountain Whiskey; Straight and undiluted."
- Former USSC Cheif Justice Earl Warren

Tman:
I agree, one -should- never get pulled unless they were breaking the law. However, you and I both know that this is not always the case.

Osborn F Enready · Jan 8, 2005, 11:59 am

Drug dogs are a violation of rights, when used in a "traffic stop".
Drug dogs are not a violation if the "WARRANT" says the police are looking for "DRUGS"

It requires a warrant, to enable special tools, such as a dog to search areas inside or out with his "sensitized" searching device.(his nose)

Privacy is the hallmark of property ownership. My car is my property, and I am required to obey traffic laws when applying and receiving my license. The policeman has no way to use a dog to tell if I am breaking a "traffic law".

This is common sense.

Lou Minotti · Jan 8, 2005, 12:10 pm

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Hmm, yes, it would logically follow, wouldn't it? Let's say I give you some more facts. Cabelles has a long string of comvictions for assault & battery, spousal abuse, drugs, controlling a prostitute, robbery, rape..etc. The wounded policeman (who will be disabled for life), on the other hand, is a veteran with 30 years of impeccable service with the force, having been awarded medals for bravery on no less than 10 occasions by the State. You are sitting on the jury. What say you? Same as before? Cabelles walks?

He shouldn't have a "long string of convictions" and be able to assault anybody. But the law is the law. Sorry. Lovey dovey emotional hypotheticals don't trump the law.

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 01:04 pm

No wonder they say the law's an ass.

Lou Minotti · Jan 8, 2005, 01:09 pm

No, the law isn't the ass. The people that break/and or make up new laws to get away with their crimes are the asses.

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 01:10 pm

Cabelles was an ass, but he walks, right? So who's the real ass?

Lou Minotti · Jan 8, 2005, 01:16 pm

How was Cabelle any more of an ass than the guy that drives the Budweiser truck? Oh yeah, Budweiser makes political donations and funds PACS....

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 01:20 pm

Don't change the subject. Our law lets a blatantly guilty man walk. Our law's an ass.

Lou Minotti · Jan 8, 2005, 01:25 pm

I'm not changing the subject. The problem is systemic. What, according to the constitution, was Cabelle doing wrong? Can you show damages as a result of his "crime"? Our law keeps the state from violating Canelle's rights. I don't think that makes our law an "ass". And Cabelle wasn't proven guilty, therefore he is not guilty, therefore he is innocent, therefore an innocent man walks. Case closed.

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 01:53 pm

He was caught red-handed with drugs in his car. Never denied the drugs were his. I'd call that guilty, wouldn't you? Despite that, you say, he should walk because our law protects him. OK, then in that case, I'd say the law's an ass.

Lou Minotti · Jan 8, 2005, 01:59 pm

Like I said before, what's the difference in what he was doing and what Budweiser does "legally"? And in any case, I think the police officer violating his civil rights is a far more egregious act than someone peddling dried flowers in order to make a living.

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 02:07 pm

Tsk, tsk. I can't believe you can't see the difference. *Sigh* But let's not change the subject.

Lou Minotti · Jan 8, 2005, 02:08 pm

I'm not changing the subject. And I am asking you for the difference. What is it?

tinybear · Jan 8, 2005, 02:17 pm

The harm those drugs bring to the endusers. And please, those are not just dried flowers.

Lou Minotti · Jan 8, 2005, 02:19 pm

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The harm those drugs bring to the endusers. And please, those are not just dried flowers.

Marijuana is the dried flowers of the Cannabis Sativa or Cannabis Endica plant. This is a fact. And since you answered my question with an answer to a question not asked, I'll ask again. What is the difference?

Jan 8, 2005, 11:59 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Drug dogs are a violation of rights, when used in a "traffic stop". Drug dogs are not a violation if the "WARRANT" says the police are looking for "DRUGS" It requires a warrant, to enable special tools, such as a dog to search areas inside or out with his "sensitized" searching device.(his nose) Privacy is the hallmark of property ownership. My car is my property, and I am required to obey traffic laws when applying and receiving my license. The policeman has no way to use a dog to tell if I am breaking a "traffic law". This is common sense. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 8, 2005, 01:25 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 925	Past actions mean nothing. He does not ( nor should he ) forfeit his God-given, Human, Natural, and Constitutional rights because of his prior crimes. I'm personally of the opinion that rape should he a hanging/life sentance. However, if the State released him, it is because they ( rightly or wrongly ) believed that he was no longer a danger. This is the legal supposition behind release; that the prisoner is no longer a danger and can be safely re-introduced to society at large. Upon release, he regainst all of his Rights before the law, as he should. tman: With all the heavily-corroborated evidence for widespread racial/economic "profiling" in this country, you must be truly blind or wilfully ignorant if you really believe that "If you get pulled over it's because you were breaking the law."

Jan 8, 2005, 03:26 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	BVut cabelles has a long string of convictions. This indicates that he just doesn't learn his lesson and is a habitual offender. You still say he should walk free?

Jan 8, 2005, 04:11 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 925	He -should- still be in prison for the rape. However, since he -was- a freeman when this illegal search occurred, all his Rights are retained. The search was illegal; he walks.

Jan 8, 2005, 04:35 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	Wow you guys are so legalistic, it's scary.

Jan 8, 2005, 11:28 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 925	Tinybear: I'm not a legalist, I'm an extremely strict Constitutionalist. History shows us that a single violation of a rule, no matter how insignificant that violation is, quickly leads to more and larger abuses. "The Constitution should be taken like mountain Whiskey; Straight and undiluted." - Former USSC Cheif Justice Earl Warren Tman: I agree, one -should- never get pulled unless they were breaking the law. However, you and I both know that this is not always the case.

Jan 8, 2005, 01:04 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	No wonder they say the law's an ass.

Jan 8, 2005, 01:09 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	No, the law isn't the ass. The people that break/and or make up new laws to get away with their crimes are the asses.

Jan 8, 2005, 01:10 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	Cabelles was an ass, but he walks, right? So who's the real ass?

Jan 8, 2005, 01:16 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	How was Cabelle any more of an ass than the guy that drives the Budweiser truck? Oh yeah, Budweiser makes political donations and funds PACS....

Jan 8, 2005, 01:20 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	Don't change the subject. Our law lets a blatantly guilty man walk. Our law's an ass.

Jan 8, 2005, 01:25 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	I'm not changing the subject. The problem is systemic. What, according to the constitution, was Cabelle doing wrong? Can you show damages as a result of his "crime"? Our law keeps the state from violating Canelle's rights. I don't think that makes our law an "ass". And Cabelle wasn't proven guilty, therefore he is not guilty, therefore he is innocent, therefore an innocent man walks. Case closed.

Jan 8, 2005, 01:53 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	He was caught red-handed with drugs in his car. Never denied the drugs were his. I'd call that guilty, wouldn't you? Despite that, you say, he should walk because our law protects him. OK, then in that case, I'd say the law's an ass.

Jan 8, 2005, 01:59 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	Like I said before, what's the difference in what he was doing and what Budweiser does "legally"? And in any case, I think the police officer violating his civil rights is a far more egregious act than someone peddling dried flowers in order to make a living.

Jan 8, 2005, 02:07 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	Tsk, tsk. I can't believe you can't see the difference. Sigh But let's not change the subject.

Jan 8, 2005, 02:08 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	I'm not changing the subject. And I am asking you for the difference. What is it?

Jan 8, 2005, 02:17 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	The harm those drugs bring to the endusers. And please, those are not just dried flowers.