Human traficking today.

**Charlatan** · 26th August 2011, 12:34 PM

The times we are in are bleak for a lot of people stolen or tricked into prostitution or slave labour. There is a huge thing on cnn at the moment about that sort of thing.

The best way to find human trafickers is to lay possum for them. If the police were to go undercover they could find out a lot.

How much is this worth for prostitutes? If you were to make them your escort and asked them to take you for a good time, they would no doubt try to get you to buy them drugs from thier dealers. THis would open a whole can of worms, so soliciting could take place and go a lot faster than going undercover.

The best way to get to slave labourers would be to try to get something built in India or wherever for as cheap as possible. Once they have them on the books they could try to ask for identity documents of their employees or something. This will bring them into close contact with the slaves and then they could send the labour slave drivers away for a while, to a meeting, and make a plan with the people that are slaves for thier well being. In fact the West could buy off thier contracts, all of them, for under a million dollars, as rupees are nearly nothing in to day's climate and giving the rupees to the slaves would ensure them being able to say they have paid off thier debts and may go. I am under the impression that the typical rupee debt is about two thousand rupees, so converted into dollars means that they could buy them off for next to nothing! They could even start a charity for this, a basic small charity, or, if the state is interested, they themselves could buy the people out with a pittance of thier circulating cash.

But in both cases there remains the problem - what will they do then?

In some cases they may be glad to remain in thier respective slavery. In this case due to drug addiction or lifestyle of food funneled into the system this could damage a system where people are evidently fed too. In this case there needs to be jobs for them to come out towards. With the skills they learned in the slavery types they were in, they could build for a company or go undercover to route out drug dealers.

**Charlatan** · 26th August 2011, 12:56 PM

A great way to hone in on the drug trade is to make drugs available that have a dye on them that will show up on people's fingers, or on thier tongues or equivalent. This will make the drug users easy to spot in everyday society. That or put some disease into them that is easily curable but will require for them to go to a hospital, something like yaws or something that is really negligible, but will prove a problem untreated.

To get in on the slavery trade they need to make funds available for the people to be bought out. They could get these funds from a small extra tax on home loans or something, maybe a tax on the slavers themselves, a building tax that will make them pay for the release of thier own slaves!

**grandpa** · 26th August 2011, 02:46 PM

Quote by: Charlatan

A great way to hone in on the drug trade
is to make drugs available that have a dye on
them that will show up on people's fingers, or on
thier tongues or equivalent.
This will make the drug users easy to spot in
everyday society.

Give them a scarlet letter while you're at it. Seriously, though, have you or your proposals been evaluated for safety and effectiveness?

The real solution is to legalize drugs, and offer treatment to users who want to quit.
We will see who follows rules then. I guarantee you that far more people would, because the rules would actually be sensible.

The thing is: If people want to get high, they will. Some even use DXM, "an active ingredient found in many cough suppressant cold medicines." People will go to great lengths for satisfaction.

Grandpa h.

**Dieval** · 26th August 2011, 05:20 PM

Quote by: grandpa

People will go to great lengths for satisfaction.

Will those same people go to great lengths in order to quit?

**Charlatan** · 26th August 2011, 06:52 PM

I think getting people exposed that do drugs is the way to make inroads everywhere. If you legalise it you just say you cannot deal with it and give up. That is no way to run a household and no way to run a state.

If there were to be some way of negotiaiting the drug scene, the state needs to get to the incoming shipments of drugs, as ships usually carry all the drugs.

Now to get these dealers exposed they need to nationalise the shipping industry with ex police people, or, people that have lost a loved one due to drugs. Or maybe they could try a little bit of luck with orphanages - getting orphans to deliver them the drugs in exchange for the drugs street value? That will hit drugs hard and then kids, who would rather have money than drugs, will kill off the supply lines.

Maybe they should try a little bit of subliminal messaging? If they were to say subliminally over the fog horn thing that all drugs must be declared, they could get the people to do something like shake hands with the people loading the drugs, make them shake it upwards into thier faces. THis is easy to do, just say that they will not be searched if they do this, or that, something unusual...

Typically drugs find thier way to the low income areas. This means that low income people that work the docks need to be examined before and after they unload, or load up.

These drugs, mainly heroine and cocaine, should be dealt with in thier native countries. If they were to offer american citizenship, witness protection and the like for huge hauls of drugs from the other countries, they would make head way.

Or they could start with action stow away! This would see a stow away on every ship coming into th country and while on board they could search for drugs - typically someone trustworthy from a middle income neighbourhood. When the stow away is on board they could search through all the things and smash vases and the like, one from every container, and pay for them.

Weighing things to the precise amounts stipulated on the cabin roster or whatever could reveal that instead of having one thousand pounds of vases you have one thousand and one pounds of vases, or something like that.

Maybe if they were to tap on vases or containers they could see if they were really hollow or something, something to identify contents of the conatiner, randomly.

The best way to get the drugs would be to have dogs find them, but then in todays world they always seem to hide the smell of it under blanckets of other smells. This means anything that smells that shhouldn't smell must be investigated...

**grandpa** · 29th August 2011, 10:19 AM

Quote by: Dieval

Will those same people go to great lengths in order
to quit?

Some will, some won't. Your point?

Grandpa h.

**grandpa** · 29th August 2011, 10:24 AM

Quote by: Charlatan

I think getting people exposed that do drugs is the
way to make inroads everywhere.
If you legalise it you just say you cannot deal
with it and give up.

I'll argeu with you on this 'til one of us drops dead. Legalizing it would "deal with it." It's also the cheap way out -- the drug war has been very expensive. We already did this with alcohol prohibition. Legalization has not been perfect, but we deal with the culture we're given.

Grandpa h.

**Charlatan** · 30th August 2011, 12:24 AM

Quote by: grandpa

I'll argeu with you on this 'til one of us drops dead. Legalizing it would "deal with it." It's also the cheap way out -- the drug war has been very expensive. We already did this with alcohol prohibition. Legalization has not been perfect, but we deal with the culture we're given.

Grandpa h.

OK, I get you. Scientifically it is not right, but due to the situation, it must be right?

**Charlatan** · 30th August 2011, 12:32 AM

Getting into the fray of things that go with slavery, or sex work aswell, we need to have a new method for going undercover. These people do not have a club where they all meet and laugh about things, they probably don't even like one another.

The prostitutes will protect thier pimps because that is where they get thier drugs from. What we need to do is offer them drugs for less. Take a ride out there as a dealer to make inroads. Take some of the confiscated stuff and tell them they can get more with 'the cops', but tell them you are dealers. Then ask where the pimp is becuase you want to buy her from them, or him from them, less of the time. Tell them you will give them more for less to get thier interest. Typically you just need to get the support of one of them in a hoard or whatever you call a plural of prostitues. Then you get to the main man, and follow with subliminal interrogation to make in roads into where he got them from.

As for slavery or the Indian kind, where actual services are rendered, you could just get them to run away with you. You put a boat on the port, you get a bus for the people, and then they grab what they can and leave for another city. Maybe you just need a bus? They can just leave thier homes as they are shanties anyway, and supply them with tents for a decent clean living. This is the cheapest most effective alternative to buying them out of slavery? I think so.

**grandpa** · 30th August 2011, 02:10 PM

Quote by: Charlatan

Getting into the fray of things that go with slavery,
or sex work aswell, we need to have a new
method for going undercover.
These people do not have a club where they all
meet and laugh about things, they probably don't even like
one another.

Modern slavery tends to involve partitioning. It seems as effective here (in America) as
elsewhere, because sex slavery rings have been uncovered.

I do what I can to help people avoid this, but I'm human after all, and not all that influential. If anybody gets kidnapped and tied up while I'm around, I assume I might try to stop it.

Grandpa h.

**Sappho** · 30th August 2011, 05:02 PM

Trading in humans does not belong exclusively to the sex industry. In India, poor families sell their daughters into domestic service. Those young girls are then sent to the rich Indian households to slave for them, often under harsh conditions.

Five years ago, it was the case that 20,000 Indian children were registered as missing. Unofficial figures claim it is double that number. These children are physically maimed and then trained in professional begging.

The clothes and leather bought from Walmarts if from India is supporting an industry that abuses it's employees by giving them only enough to eat and shelter themselves, if that. It is also supporting child labour.

Then you have more unusual forms of human trafficking such as Australia's commitment to trading boat people for validated refugees in their deal with Malaysia a country that has not signed on to UN conventions on the treatment of asylum seekers.