Chemtrails 101

[The Real Mr. X]

Well, then seeing as how there are no pilots, then someone else loading the bloody plane might have a conscious.

How can the state tell the news what to report? There would be a great pay day for the news if they did. I know news are always reporting things the state doesn;t want them to, here, there and everywhere. The news must have reported it at some time for you to know about it. If they did not then there would have been a site about it where you would have learned about, not word of mouth. Now when it comes to a site reporting these things they will typically have a march, which the news will report on. These news will find out what the people are marching against, and they will report all the claims to the camera. I am sure there has been a march already? Surely the many people that will protest taxes and strike will, being interested in their own well being, march?

By the same token if there was a lot of people going to emergency rooms after it happens, then the doctors would get involved. They report upwards, and then the top guy calls a press conference, or, do you doubt the doctors claims to morality?

Some sublimate their conscience in favor of the all mighty dollar. Also, many people involved are probably told that they are doing something good. They want to believe that, and they are being paid so well that they continue.
The corporate media is funded by banks. The societal engineers need that propaganda. Did you hear how MSNBC received hundreds of millions of dollars from the Fed? The Fed admitted it. Corporate media's main game is not advertising revenue. Just like the banks and many major corporations, dinosaur media's power comes from being bailed out by the taxpayer. The corporate media does exactly as the banksters tell them. I didn't hear about chemtrails through the corporate media, I heard about them through the alternative media. This story DID spread by word of mouth and independent media. Why is that so hard to believe? It is not necessary to have a 'march' for people to become aware of an issue.
Doctors have been speaking up: Dr. Tammy L. Born, Dr. Lenny Thyme, Dr. James Rota, Dr. J. Michael Pece, Dr. Stephen D. McKay, Dr. Marijah McCain... need I continue? I can.

[The Real Mr. X]

To the bolded part: You're aware you're on a debate site, correct? If you don't want to support your claims, we can always close the thread.

I'm debating as fast as I can!

[minorwork]

I'm sorry, but after this post, I will no longer entertain this argument because it is a diversionary tactic.

But isn't it the heart of your position that chemtrails differ from contrails? To have any semblance of validity you HAVE to show the differences and how a guy on the ground can distinguish between environmental effects and intentional anthropomorphic (human caused) effects to the appearance of the contrails. It is not me that's practicing diversion here. Your position depends on how well you handle these questions. You don't want to deal with it, the conclusion is that your Chemtrails 101 is bogus.

Under perfect conditions of low temperature and high humidity, normal jet exhausts may persist for a maximum of about two minutes.

I'm to believe this on your authority alone? How do I know you're not tripping? Please link to some accredited citations. That's how you cite your evidence in the forum.

Perfect conditions? Are these common? No jet streams, no pressure differences? I'm not sure you can show perfect conditions in reality.

The science is not complicated. Normal jet exhaust consists of water vapor, carbon dioxide and tiny bits of carbon; much the same as what comes out of a car's tailpipe.

Soot? You're talking about soot? Carbon particulates is what you're talking about? But you've provided no science explanation yet of the persistence of, uh, chemtrails distinguished by non persistence of contrails. If it's not complicated science what's holding up your explanation?

All my childhood, the jet exhausts I saw were little tails on jets that quickly disappeared shortly after they came out. Today, all of the sudden we have these exhausts that come out of a jet airplane and just stay there.

First it was your childhood and then its our experiences today. And there is no environmental conditions that affect the appearances of contrails? You're kidding, right?

Not to mention, I have seen video of a jet turning these chemical exhausts off and on as though the plane were writing Morse Code. Persistent jet exhausts have little to do with weather conditions and everything to do with the jet having been retrofitted to spray chemtrails.

So how often do you see that jet do its thing? Have you ever seen just how much commercial traffic there is globally on a day to day basis?
A Day in the Life of Air Traffic Over the World - YouTube

[The Real Mr. X]

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I have addressed this issue with all the necessary information. It appears you would like to drag me into a highly technical and convoluted argument about something so simple that it requires nothing of the sort. I am very familiar with these tactics and I will not let you drag me down. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I have nothing more to say about this.

[minorwork]

I have addressed this issue with all the necessary information. It appears you would like to drag me into a highly technical and convoluted argument about something so simple that it requires nothing of the sort.

Gee whiz, I've heard how simple something is but not WHAT this simple explanation is. When are you going to give with the simplicity you keep on about?

I am very familiar with these tactics and I will not let you drag me down. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I have nothing more to say about this.

If you've so much experience then why run from a successful campaign to dispel the doubt?

You've provided the necessary information for what? What mountain out of what molehill? I'm pretty sure the statements you're talking of are yours, not mine.

If you got something to show, show it. Or face up to the reality that you're talking fantasies.

You've got to link us to some quotes by those doctors you mention. Just mentioning their names means nothing more than a 4th graders fantasy until I hear what they've to say, their qualifications in saying it, and most importantly the rationale behind what they say. Maybe they can convince me, but I've got to see what they say and their rationale behind their reasoning. Really, it's what I'm asking of you, but you don't seem willing to give it up.

[RickSp]

When doing a Google search on "Chemtrails 101" the first choice is a page on the Rense.com conspiracy site.

Chemtrails 101 - An Introduction Seeing Chemtrails Clearly As The Silent But Deadly Betrayal

More than a bit flakey.

My favorite exchange is:

Q. Can anything stop the spread of Chemtrails?

A. Only three things. 1. Enlightened leaders with a social conscience, unlikely to happen in the USA. 2. A widespread outcry from the enlightened American public, also unlikely to happen in the USA. 3. The collapse of the American economy and, subsequently, the weakening of her black operations budget, the likeliest eventual prospect.

[Cruella]

I have addressed this issue with all the necessary information. It appears you would like to drag me into a highly technical and convoluted argument about something so simple that it requires nothing of the sort. I am very familiar with these tactics and I will not let you drag me down. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I have nothing more to say about this.

You might want to bear in mind that this is a debate forum. Challenging hypotheses and requesting evidence is what we do. If you are not prepared to argue your case, then you might need to reconsider why you are here. We do not provide a soapbox, so if you cannot -or will not - prove your points when required, this forum might not be the best venue for your ideas.

It is perfectly legitimate for your fellow debators to be asking you for evidence and to expand your initial argument.

[The Real Mr. X]

You might want to bear in mind that this is a debate forum. Challenging hypotheses and requesting evidence is what we do. If you are not prepared to argue your case, then you might need to reconsider why you are here. We do not provide a soapbox, so if you cannot -or will not - prove your points when required, this forum might not be the best venue for your ideas.

It is perfectly legitimate for your fellow debators to be asking you for evidence and to expand your initial argument.

The thing is that I HAVE already addressed this issue to the best of my ability. the other guy is just acting as though I haven't. I have experience on other online forums that tells me the favorite trick of the chemtrail deniers is to harp on this crazy notion that it is normal for jet exhausts to stay in the sky for hours. Even though this idea is patently false, they will endlessly return to it. With this behavior, they accomplish their objective of diluting the conversation and dragging it into oblivion. I don't want this to happen to this conversation. It's like trying to debate a crazy person and after I state my position, I have to cut them off. As you can see, I have responded to all challenges so far and I intend to keep responding to all new viewpoints.

[The Real Mr. X]

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You've got to link us to some quotes by those doctors you mention. Just mentioning their names means nothing more than a 4th graders fantasy until I hear what they've to say, their qualifications in saying it, and most importantly the rationale behind what they say. Maybe they can convince me, but I've got to see what they say and their rationale behind their reasoning. Really, it's what I'm asking of you, but you don't seem willing to give it up.

I'll be happy to. It's as simple as Googling 'chemtrails doctor'.
A doctor observes that chemtrails are making people sick

[Cruella]

Mr X, you've actually said - repeatedly - that you're not willing to prove your points further than you have in your OP. That isn't debate. Further, I'm not interested in what happens in other forums, only that you follow the format here. Please stop telling people you won't discuss things further with them, and that you're not here to be argued with, or this thread will either be moved to a non-debate section of the forum, and/or closed.

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[minorwork]

I'll be happy to. It's as simple as Googling 'chemtrails doctor'.
A doctor observes that chemtrails are making people sick

Pece is a naturopath whose license has been retired. Try again. He shows little knowledge of the increased uses of fluorescent lighting with the commensurate use of barium in their electrodes as a possible contaminant. Instead its all about the chemtrails which he has as little evidence of as you. http://www.npbomex.az.gov/UserFiles/...Minutes(2).pdf

Not all states regulate naturopaths. There is much pseudoscience connected with naturopathic cures. Perhaps he even uses homeopathic medicines, eh?

J. Michael Pece is no authority on jet exhausts.

[The Real Mr. X]

Pece is a naturopath whose license has been retired. Try again. He shows little knowledge of the increased uses of fluorescent lighting with the commensurate use of barium in their electrodes as a possible contaminant. Instead its all about the chemtrails which he has as little evidence of as you. http://www.npbomex.az.gov/UserFiles/...Minutes(2).pdf

Not all states regulate naturopaths. There is much pseudoscience connected with naturopathic cures. Perhaps he even uses homeopathic medicines, eh?

J. Michael Pece is no authority on jet exhausts.

Pece is a doctor who happens to be retired. You present the fact that he is retired as though this discredits him. If you are so knowledgeable about fluorescent lighting with the commensurate use of Barium, you must surely know that the retirement of his license was not done TO him as you infer, but rather BY him as a means to avoid annual fees and continuing mandatory education. Format Document
Now, after you have attempted to deceive me and the reader, are we supposed to believe your other assertions?