"Reverse" racism

[nykoelle]

This has been going on a lot in my house, I live with 9 other girls, 4 asian, 1 hispanic, and 5 white (including me).

There was an incident of racism on campus. Racial slang on the doorway of a black girl's room.

The school went up in arms, and my house was very opinionated on it.

One of the white girls began pointing out how much "white people" get, and how "they" dont deserve things like their own club on campus (white student union as opposed to the existing black student union). Ironically, the movie White Chicks was on tv.

My question up for debate, just because there are a lot of white people, do we not deserve the same? Is this racial categorizing acceptable, or, as I see it, just as harmful as the above incident?

[bishop]

if you want to join up in an all white group, you are able to do so i believe. technically, you cannot be barred from joining an african american-centric club. my guess is that people are turned away by the name of the club. you could form a group and name it white chicks - as long as you don't bar people from joining, you won't have a problem.

what i would do, however, is form a group of like minded people and campaign against race-specific groups. the dipshits growing up now know nothing of the discrimination of the past. imo, they're a bunch of heads stuck up their asses. you can't shut them down because they're exhibiting their right of free speech, but you can sure as hell make them look like assholes - which you should imo. clubs like those are a subtle form of racism, and they only serve to strengthen existing divisions.

[Suburbanite]

There are two definitions of racism. The first is an individual one. In that sense, white people can and are often the victims of racism. Then there is the institutionalized one, which white people are never a victim of because the institutions we operate in, even when they do give special favor to other races, are still overwhelmingly white-majoritied. So... whichever racism you go off of, I find it disappointing for anyone to care. I mean equally disappointing when anyone is offended by racial slurs.... it seems stupid to care so much about something you were born into.

[Gorgo]

Many clubs are all white. A friend of mine started taking me to one of the fraternal organizations in town, as they had really good lunches. After hearing about it, I found out to join you had to be white and profess a belief in god. I don't go anymore. There are many more like them. There is no "reverse racism" to any great degree.

[bishop]

do you see minority-specific groups as subtly strengthening the racial divide?

[Gorgo]

What are the objectives of the group? To kill white people? Then, yes, some people would have the reaction of wanting to divide from members of that group.

[bishop]

nah, i wasn't being that extreme.

[Gorgo]

Well, I know, but the purpose of minority groups is not to divide anything, from what I can see. If it is, then where are these groups and what are they doing?

[bishop]

their stated purpose is not to divide, or strengthen existing divisions, but imo, a side-effect of their existance is division. you could have white-specific groups like the kkk and neo-nazis.. sure, blacks aren't prevented from trying to join, but why would they want to? by contrast, would you want to join up with the black panthers and go out to kill whitey?

i remember at my old job, they had all sorts of multicultural events. gay pride month, asian-pacific month, hispanic month.. i never saw anything for a caucasian group. maybe that's because whites as a whole see race-specific groups as stupid, and don't want to continue the trend? either that or minorities would look at them suspiciously and label them racists?

[Suburbanite]

Their purpose is to celebrate disadvantage, which is ridiculous. Their purpose should be to remove it instead.

[Gorgo]

The purpose of the KKK and neo-nazis was to proclaim the superiority of whites, etc. I don't see the NAACP proclaiming the supremacy of blacks. I see people trying to say that it takes different groups to make a whole. Learn about us and you'll see we're all the same. They also work to stand up for the rights of the minorities. I contribute to atheist organizations because they support the rights of not only atheists, but minority religions.

Do you condemn people who go to church? They're going to church to proclaim their superiority (going to heaven) over the rest of us (going to hell).

Quote by: bishop their stated purpose is not to divide,

[Suburbanite]

The NAACP is surely not the same as the KKK or any Nazi movement, and to say so I think would be very foolish. Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam once might have been almost comparable, but even then we are talking about fringe to popular movements. Regardless, the NAACP is not really the 'best' group of people for the advancement for people of color. Their efforts on the individual have diminished over the year and it has just become a political lobby. The NAACP and other groups with similar goals have forgotten the root of the problem and have just made an effort to alienate themselves by accusing the world of racism.

[Gorgo]

Well, hopefully you didn't think that I was equating the NAACP with the KKK, as I said in my first sentence that they were radically different, as that was the point of the post.

I don't know whether or not the NAACP is the best group or if the Black Panthers was the worst group. They all did what they knew how to do.

[bishop]

The purpose of the KKK and neo-nazis was to proclaim the superiority of whites, etc. I don't see the NAACP proclaiming the supremacy of blacks. I see people trying to say that it takes different groups to make a whole. Learn about us and you'll see we're all the same. They also work to stand up for the rights of the minorities. I contribute to atheist organizations because they support the rights of not only atheists, but minority religions. Do you condemn people who go to church? They're going to church to proclaim their superiority (going to heaven) over the rest of us (going to hell).

in practice, the naacp has sought to differentiate black americans from other races. the organization has, in the past, worked for equal rights. as with all organizations, after they've accomplished most of their goals, they need to invent new goals so that the organization can stay alive. notice how the naacp still acts as if it's on a march with martin luther king, jr... they act as if there has been no progress whatsoever, especially when you listen to their leaders when they speak.


i wonder what people would say if whites had their own "united negro college fund"...

[Gorgo]

They already do.

[bishop]

really?? what's it called?

[Gorgo]

A couple of hundred years of white domination.

[bishop]

heh.. and here i was thinking you were being serious...

i'm not responsible for the actions of the past, nor are any of my relatives. and, i have no pity for them, especially now that they have their special race-specific programs while i, as a white heterosexual, get no special kudos other than reminders that white heterosexuals of the past are the bad guys..

[Gorgo]

Wrong.

[bishop]

really?