Do you participate in "The Politics of Obedience"?

[suijurisfreeman]

Anyone read the writings of the 16th Century French writer Etienne de la Boetie? Check this out: http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/laboetie.html
"Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."

[Lava]

> I am a free Human Being and I have the right to ignore the State.
> I know my rights, I declare my rights, I exercise my rights and I damn well will defend my rights!
> Freedom is contagious, knowledge is the source of infection. Infect knowledge!
> Long live individualist-anarchism!

Why dont you get back to us in a year, let us know how this approach worked out.

Lava

[saif]

could u explain to me your ploy for ignoring the state? Just how does one go 'bout doin d'at live n da bak woods ov nort carolyna?'

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: Lava > I am a free Human Being and I have the right to ignore the State. > I know my rights, I declare my rights, I exercise my rights and I damn well will defend my rights! > Freedom is contagious, knowledge is the source of infection. Infect knowledge! > Long live individualist-anarchism! Why dont you get back to us in a year, let us know how this approach worked out. Lava

"One year?" I've lived this 'approach' for 11 1/2 years now, being doin' it since 1993! I haven't been arrested since September of 1995 - somehow I think that speaks volumes for 'my approach'.

Question for you Lava, did you read Etienne de la Boetie's The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude? Do you participate in Voluntary Servitude Lava?

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: saif could u explain to me your ploy for ignoring the state? Just how does one go 'bout doin d'at live n da bak woods ov nort carolyna?'

Perhaps some night classes in remedial English would be helpful for you saif! :rolleyes: As far as 'my ploy' goes, it's really quite simple, I lived my freedom inspite of what government does - check out my Unsung Ballad of Suijurisfreeman at:
http://suijurisfreeman.toddmontanye.com

Question for you saif, did you read Etienne de la Boetie's The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude? Do you participate in 'Voluntary Servitude' saif?

[saif]

do you work? have you bought anything in the US? I am not a Voluntary Member of Servitude, But you cannot profess to be free no matter where you live nor what you do you will be governed and taxed by those surrounding you.. even in the BAK WOODZ.

[JohnLockeRocks]

Saif, what he's trying to say (I believe) is that he want to get by with a minimum of interference by the government. It doesn't mean he's not paying taxes; rather, he's trying to live as free a life as he can.

I dig it. Here's a quote by a guy who's anti-authoritarian, also:

"...slowly, but with undeniable will, divesting myself of the bonds that would hold me." --Whitman.

And why should you let anything hold you down?

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: JohnLockeRocks Saif, what he's trying to say (I believe) is that he want to get by with a minimum of interference by the government. It doesn't mean he's not paying taxes; rather, he's trying to live as free a life as he can. I dig it. Here's a quote by a guy who's anti-authoritarian, also: "...slowly, but with undeniable will, divesting myself of the bonds that would hold me." --Whitman. And why should you let anything hold you down?

Non serviam - I will not serve you any longer. I will live my life despite you. My freedom doe not depend on your actions.

"Men being, as has been said, by nature all free, equal, and independent, no one can be put out of this estate, and subjected to the political will of another, without his own consent." - John Locke

"The State is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe air after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest. - Henry David Thoreau

"The authority of government can have no pure right over my person or my property but what I concede to it." - Henry David Thoreau

"Whoever lays a hand on me to govern me is a usurper and a tyrant, and I declare him my enemy." - P.J. Proudhon

".... governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Declaration of Indepenence

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: saif do you work? have you bought anything in the US? I am not a Voluntary Member of Servitude, But you cannot profess to be free no matter where you live nor what you do you will be governed and taxed by those surrounding you.. even in the BAK WOODZ.

It wood appear that your use of English Grammar is improving, have you been taking those remedial English classes? You need to work on "BAK WOODZ" though.

I pay property taxes on my 20 acres because I use the county road system and public library - I consent to that so I don't have a problem with it. I pay State sales tax if I choose to purchase new items, however I barter for much of my needs. But as far as "being governed" goes, this suijurisfreeman hasn't been governed since 1993. I simply refuse to comply, been doing that for over 11 years now.

"do you work?" Of course I work, attempting to be as self-sufficient as possible is alot of work. Sometimes I trade my time of life for a "medium of exchange", but I sure as hell don't pay "income taxes" on it! That would be about as stupid as allowing "them" to raid my strawberry patch - AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! Now see what you've done saif, my use of English Grammar is looking like yours.

I believe Black's Law Dictionary defines FREE as, "not under the control of another." How am I under the control of government? Do I ask permission to exercise any of my natural, inherent and inalienable claimed rights? Do I ask permission to exercise my claimed right to travel by first obtaining a "driver's license"? NO! Do I ask permission to exercise my claimed right of self-defense by first obtaining a CCW? NO! Obtain building permits? NO! Any kind of permits or licenses? NO! Back in September when the Kentucky EPA told me that I was operating a "waste tire processing facility" and that I would have to (1) register my property as such (2) pay them a $1.00 per tire bond (3) provide them with "blueprints" of the Earthships I'm building (4) obtain an occupancy permit before I moved in my Earthship (5) I had 30 days to comply or they would take me to "Administrative Court". Like I told Kerry McDaniel, I'm not going to do any of the above, not maybe, not could be, not possibly - NOT GONNA DO IT! I'm currently facing the possibility of $11,925,000.00 in fines - 9 alleged violations @ $25,000.00 per violation, per day. It's been 53 days and I haven't heard jack from them, doesn't matter though because I have absolutely no intention of complying or paying - PERIOD!

Have a free day!

[Lava]

You should know that with the system youre talking about it is wise to recognise that some others do have superior force to yourself, and will use it if you dont do as they tell you. Sounds to me like theyre gonna take every last cent youve got, land, house, everything.

I hope for your sake they dont, time will tell.

Lava

[Lava]

QUOTE suijurisfreeman

> My freedom doe not depend on your actions.

of course it does, not mine but those in your life who actually do have power over you.

> "Men being, as has been said, by nature all free, equal, and independent,

It seems obvious to me that none of those 3 are true.


> "The State is not armed with superior wit or honesty, but with superior physical strength. I was not born to be forced. I will breathe air after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest. - Henry David Thoreau

He just acknowledged who's the strongest. Governing bodies have many staff to carry out their will, numerous law experts etc, numerous officials, police, debt collection systems and so on. Simple fact is youre not the only power in your life.


> "The authority of government can have no pure right over my person or my property but what I concede to it." - Henry David Thoreau

That may be true if you create a concept of 'pure right'. But in our society governing bodies dont operate on that basis, and what you think or say about it isnt likely to change that - not too often anyway.


> ".... governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Declaration of Indepenence[/quote]

It doesnt say if that means the majority vote of the governed, or the consent individual being governed. Clearly in practice it is not the latter, whether you think it should be or not. It is those with the power whose interpretations will carry weight: if you have a power clash with Uncle Sam guess whose interpretation will be followed by the courts, the jailors, the bailiffs etc.

Lava

[Lava]

I imagine you'll win youre tyre processing facility thing on the basis that theyre just making it up, dreaming. Good luck.

Lava

[castille]

So if the US is invaded by another country, or you get threatened by an armed robbers, will you agree not to call the police and defend yourself?