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white rice · Jan 16, 2004, 07:26 am

As an American, I hear a lot of horror stories about American prisons, but I'd like to know how it fares against European prisons. Things I'm interested in hearing are it's conditions, the turnover percentage of people who do reform or don't, it's capacity, or anything interesting other members would like to share.

This, of course, comes from my burning desire to pull a real life Grand Theft Auto 3 but hmm what country? :)

G. Adams · Jan 16, 2004, 10:54 am

Never been myself, but my aunt used to work at Durham prison, I'll ask next time I see her.

As for the stat's, I'll go hunting for some.

EDIT 1-

Well found an article by the BBC saying prison condtions in the UK vary widely

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/321487.stm

More on the way.

EDIT 2-

An article in the guardian mentioning reoffend rate in UK is 58% within 2 years.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/further/st...,875220,00.html

I'll add more when I see them but gonna stop looking now.

white rice · Jan 17, 2004, 06:49 am

Thanks for the articles G. Adams. It's good to know that some government officals realize the potential for re-education. In the states I believe it's more like a holding facility, where those without family network with other felons and commit more crimes once they're out.

castille · Jan 18, 2004, 08:51 am

I've love to go to a Norwegian prison. The benefit of robbing a casino vs the "consequence" of being thrown into a luxury prison is worth it.

Australian juvenile detention camps are even worse than that! Officers at Quamby like to belt up the kids a bit when theres a fight. Do European officers massage your shoulders after you've been involved in a riot?

If I fail in business, I'll be getting a ticket to Norway. Know any good casinos? Also, if I get arrested, should I ask for the caviar with mussels, or the lobster and champagne?

Impenitent · Jan 18, 2004, 09:15 pm

american prisons have a long way to go before they reach the glories of the european dungeons... or even as recently as auschwitz or dachau... or the more civilized siberian labor camps in the glorious ussr...

white rice · Jan 20, 2004, 05:51 pm

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Do European officers massage your shoulders after you've been involved in a riot?
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Your cell mate could probably solve that problem for you...

Anarchist Patriot · Jan 22, 2004, 06:47 pm

I did post something before about Norweigian Prisons. I heard similar things about prisons in Denmark. Generally, the best prisons are in Scandanavia and the worst are in Eastern Europe. Russia has horrid prisons. I heard the same about Czech prisons in jails where torture is routinely practiced. France has a pretty bad reputation for civil right violations and Britian is slightly better.

tusaki · Jan 23, 2004, 08:28 pm

Well, as far as I know prisons here (in the Netherlands) are a luxury resort. They get tv, they get to work out, study, play games etc.

There is a huge debate going on over here (because the prisons are full) wheter we should allow 2 people to occupy the same cell.

As far as I'm concerned (But I don't know for sure, just what the general media tells me) we should ditch everything 'luxurious' and have more severe punishments, because it's just crazy how low/weak alot of punishment are here atm.

On the other hand... what is 'low'?... how do you determine the 'right' duration of imprisonment? when has someone 'learned' or when has someone been 'punished enough'? When the victems have been satisfied?

Jan 16, 2004, 07:26 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	As an American, I hear a lot of horror stories about American prisons, but I'd like to know how it fares against European prisons. Things I'm interested in hearing are it's conditions, the turnover percentage of people who do reform or don't, it's capacity, or anything interesting other members would like to share. This, of course, comes from my burning desire to pull a real life Grand Theft Auto 3 but hmm what country? :) Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Jan 16, 2004, 10:54 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Never been myself, but my aunt used to work at Durham prison, I'll ask next time I see her. As for the stat's, I'll go hunting for some. EDIT 1- Well found an article by the BBC saying prison condtions in the UK vary widely http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/321487.stm More on the way. EDIT 2- An article in the guardian mentioning reoffend rate in UK is 58% within 2 years. http://education.guardian.co.uk/further/st...,875220,00.html I'll add more when I see them but gonna stop looking now. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Jan 17, 2004, 06:49 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	Thanks for the articles G. Adams. It's good to know that some government officals realize the potential for re-education. In the states I believe it's more like a holding facility, where those without family network with other felons and commit more crimes once they're out. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Jan 18, 2004, 08:51 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	I've love to go to a Norwegian prison. The benefit of robbing a casino vs the "consequence" of being thrown into a luxury prison is worth it. Australian juvenile detention camps are even worse than that! Officers at Quamby like to belt up the kids a bit when theres a fight. Do European officers massage your shoulders after you've been involved in a riot? If I fail in business, I'll be getting a ticket to Norway. Know any good casinos? Also, if I get arrested, should I ask for the caviar with mussels, or the lobster and champagne? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 18, 2004, 09:15 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	american prisons have a long way to go before they reach the glories of the european dungeons... or even as recently as auschwitz or dachau... or the more civilized siberian labor camps in the glorious ussr... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Jan 20, 2004, 05:51 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Do European officers massage your shoulders after you've been involved in a riot? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Your cell mate could probably solve that problem for you... Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Jan 22, 2004, 06:47 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	I did post something before about Norweigian Prisons. I heard similar things about prisons in Denmark. Generally, the best prisons are in Scandanavia and the worst are in Eastern Europe. Russia has horrid prisons. I heard the same about Czech prisons in jails where torture is routinely practiced. France has a pretty bad reputation for civil right violations and Britian is slightly better.

Jan 23, 2004, 08:28 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Well, as far as I know prisons here (in the Netherlands) are a luxury resort. They get tv, they get to work out, study, play games etc. There is a huge debate going on over here (because the prisons are full) wheter we should allow 2 people to occupy the same cell. As far as I'm concerned (But I don't know for sure, just what the general media tells me) we should ditch everything 'luxurious' and have more severe punishments, because it's just crazy how low/weak alot of punishment are here atm. On the other hand... what is 'low'?... how do you determine the 'right' duration of imprisonment? when has someone 'learned' or when has someone been 'punished enough'? When the victems have been satisfied? Hope & Dream