Did gays ruin it for themselves

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Thylo, they're trying to with their illegal marriges. and I have even more of a problem with the KKK. they all have a right to march, but they should consider that it does more harm than good.. I don't conform to the norm, but I don't go around in the streets flaunting my sexual kinks and telling people that they have to accept me or they're some sort of bigot.

And why are those marriages illegal? Because you will not allow for them. Look it up. That makes you a BIGOT. Get used to it.

Starboy

[Texans 4 Furors]

And why are those marriages illegal?

Because people are dumb enough to believe that marriage has anything to do with government and so-called legality.

[Thylo]

Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Thylo, they're trying to with their illegal marriges. and I have even more of a problem with the KKK. they all have a right to march, but they should consider that it does more harm than good.. I don't conform to the norm, but I don't go around in the streets flaunting my sexual kinks and telling people that they have to accept me or they're some sort of bigot.

And why are those marriages illegal? Because you will not allow for them. Look it up. That makes you a BIGOT. Get used to it.

Starboy[/b][/quote]

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

I am not intolerant of gays, I beleive that they should be able to get married, it is my opinion though, that they went about it in a bad way. with those marriges in san fransico they frightend people, which got a marrige ban put on the ballot. I am not a bigot, stop trying to label me.

[Gorgo]

People are frightened because they are ignorant, not because of what some gay people did.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Thylo, I am not intolerant of gays, I beleive that they should be able to get married, it is my opinion though, that they went about it in a bad way. with those marriges in san fransico they frightend people, which got a marrige ban put on the ballot. I am not a bigot, stop trying to label me.

Sorry about that. Did you vote for any laws or amendments that would restrict gay rights? I see no way around this. If a group goes for its rights the bigots will try to stop them. That is what bigots do. All this shows is that there a large number of bigots in this country. Could even be a majority. The issue of gay rights is one thing, but this indication of how intolerant we have become as a nation is alarming.

Starboy

[Thylo]

Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Thylo, I am not intolerant of gays, I beleive that they should be able to get married, it is my opinion though, that they went about it in a bad way. with those marriges in san fransico they frightend people, which got a marrige ban put on the ballot. I am not a bigot, stop trying to label me.

Sorry about that. Did you vote for any laws or amendments that would restrict gay rights? I see no way around this. If a group goes for its rights the bigots will try to stop them. That is what bigots do. All this shows is that there a large number of bigots in this country. Could even be a majority. The issue of gay rights is one thing, but this indication of how intolerant we have become as a nation is alarming.

Starboy[/b][/quote]
I haven't voted for anything.
I'm not surprised that our nation is intolerant of the gays that do all that weird sh*t, but it's stupid to want to kill the ones that haven't done anything (Beside being gay) outside the norm

[Texans 4 Furors]

Get the government out of marriage completely and divert your activism to something that matters. Can we not continue this thread?

[Thylo]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, Get the government out of marriage completely and divert your activism to something that matters. Can we not continue this thread?

the government needs to be involved in marrige if you want to collect those benifits of it. that's one of the reasons they want it, and should get it.

[Mulkaccino]

Originally posted by Thylo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thylo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Gorgo, The same kinds of things were said about other "oddballs" in the past.  If blacks didn't dress that way, if they didn't date white people, if they'd keep their place, etc.....  What's the difference between that and what Thylo is saying?

back when black faught for their rights, they acted like any normal person. they got good people to represent them.
I'm not saying that the parades should be banned. but they should consider what they're doing to themselves.[/b][/quote]

They didn't act like like what you call "normal" is. They rebeled against the status quo and laws of the time. It caused an uproar, men were getting sprayed with firehouses, the National Guard had to escort people to school, their leader was assasinated, etc. etc. It wasn't a normal situation at all. Looking back it seems everything was methodical and easy for them. It wasn't. It was messy and twice as violent.

They are not shoving it down anybodies throat. They are using the law that applies to all of us to obtain their rights. It is the even balls that have decided to stop the due process of law and to enact laws specifically removing their rights. We don't stop the KKK from parading. To me they are a bunch of odd balls; I suppose you think that they are a-okay. But anyway it is their right to demonstraite and march. Freedom is messy. Not everybody conforms to the "norm". You are not in highschool anymore. they're trying to with their illegal marriges. and I have even more of a problem with the KKK. they all have a right to march, but they should consider that it does more harm than good.. I don't conform to the norm, but I don't go around in the streets flaunting my sexual kinks and telling people that they have to accept me or they're some sort of bigot.

And the blacks did with their forceful equality of rights. Not moving to the back of the bus was a big no-no at the time, but it happened. She shoved her non-existant rights down her oppressors throats just like the gays getting illegal marriage did.
And they are NOT going around the streets demanding you accept them. Look back at the first couple of pages for Starboys quote. They could care less if you accept them, just like you could care less if they accept who you are. They just want to be equal under the eyes of the government. They want freedom and equality. The same thing women fought for. The same thing blacks and Latin Americans fought for. And the same thign the founders of our country fought for.

In my opinion, they are doing a fantasic job further carrying out an American keystone and tradition.

Staryboy, I don't agree with your use of the term "un-American" but I know exactly what you mean. People angainst gay marriage are fighting for a tradition; the tradition of marriage. Gays are fighting a tradition also; freedom of oppression and equality.

It's up to the individual to decide which is more important: Freedom and Equality or Marriage Traditions. People can't have your cake and eat it too in this situation...

It's nice to hear you give your stance though. I wasn't exactly sure where you stood. I had to edit that question out of this post.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Originally posted by Thylo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thylo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Texans 4 Furors, Get the government out of marriage completely and divert your activism to something that matters. Can we not continue this thread?

the government needs to be involved in marrige if you want to collect those benifits of it. that's one of the reasons they want it, and should get it.[/b][/quote]
Benefits of what? Have you read my previous post on this? Why is the government stealing money from me to give tax breaks to yuppies to married couples?

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Mulkaccino, Staryboy, I don't agree with your use of the term "un-American" but I know exactly what you mean.  People angainst gay marriage are fighting for a tradition; the tradition of marriage.  Gays are fighting a tradition also; freedom of oppression and equality. It's up to the individual to decide which is more important: Freedom and Equality or Marriage Traditions.  People can't have your cake and eat it too in this situation... It's nice to hear you give your stance though.  I wasn't exactly sure where you stood.  I had to edit that question out of this post.

I see it very much as a clash of traditions. A completely unnecessary one at that. One that was deliberately contrived by the religious in this country. The American traditions of freedom allows for diversity, the Christian traditions do not. All patriots need to be on notice that the power grab is on and the stakes are high. Will we remain the noble experiment in freedom or will be become the Holy Christian Empire? When people start talking about making radical changes to our freedoms in the name of tradition we should all be very alarmed.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, Benefits of what? Have you read my previous post on this? Why is the government stealing money from me to give tax breaks to yuppies to married couples?

There are a great many mundane laws that apply to families such as who gets the property when one of the partners dies. Who has rights to act as a legal guardian? All sorts of laws like that. They are not so much marriage laws but family laws. Most do not involve taxing anybody. But the way you come under these laws is you get married. If you are specifically prohibited by law from getting married then you do not have the protections and rights granted by many of these laws and therefore you do not have equal treatment under the law. You can have a family in every other sense until death till you part but you are not getting equal treatment under the law.

Starboy

[Texans 4 Furors]

These "benefits" are a fraud. Certain gays now want celebrate and be a part of this fraud. That's it.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, These "benefits" are a fraud. Certain gays now want celebrate and be a part of this fraud. That's it.

Are families a fraud?

Starboy

[Texans 4 Furors]

Originally posted by Starboy, Are families a fraud? Starboy

Not in the slightest. Although the founder of UNESCO called the family "a disease".

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Texans 4 Furors,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Starboy, Are families a fraud? Starboy

Not in the slightest.[/b][/quote]

How do you think that two people who want to form a family get legal recognition of that family under the law?

Starboy

[Texans 4 Furors]

Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors,@ <!--QuoteBegin-Starboy, Are families a fraud? Starboy Not in the slightest.

How do you think that two people who want to form a family get legal recognition of that family under the law?

Starboy[/b][/quote]
Two people that want to form a family form a family. That's how. It's called freedom. No phony government mandate required. Just wondering, do you have a permit to go to church?

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Texans 4 Furors,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Texans 4 Furors,@ <!--QuoteBegin-Starboy, Are families a fraud? Starboy Not in the slightest.

How do you think that two people who want to form a family get legal recognition of that family under the law?

Starboy[/b][/quote]
Two people that want to form a family form a family. That's how. It's called freedom. No phony government mandate required. Just wondering, do you have a permit to go to church?[/b][/quote]

And if one of them dies who gets the property? The parents of the one who died or the partner?

Starboy

[Texans 4 Furors]

And if one of them dies who gets the property?

Whomever they wish to leave it to.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, Whomever they wish to leave it to.

Okay, you are the judge. The partner is there and the parents are there. The partner says they were married but the parents say they were not. The couple were only together for a few days. Who gets the property?

Starboy