Did gays ruin it for themselves

[Thylo]

some gays ar hoping that if they are legaly recognized as married, people will start to accept them.
if they want people to accept them, and let them get married, they gotta stop acting like freaks or get all the publicity away from the freaks and show that, besides who they're attracted too, they're just like you and me. but you get gay pride parades, and shows like queer eye for the straight guy, which they applaud.

[Starboy]

I think that gays are way, way, way past caring if people accept them. I think that if you could get them to be candid they would say that "normal" people can go fuck themselves. No, it is an equal rights issue. They just want to have the same rights for their families as any other family in the country has. Besides, who really wants to be "normal" anyway? Just about every one of us wants to be abnormal in one way or another, one or more of being abnormally rich, intelligent, famous, talented, loved, admired, powerful, righteous or whatever.

Starboy

[Gorgo]

Yeah, dang uppity women and ni**ers too, right?

Originally posted by Thylo, when I said only one wore a dress, I meant that only one man wore a dress. which is still weird. with those damn pride parades.

[Mulkaccino]

Even if gays did cause a backlash reaction against them, it matters little in the morality of gay marriage. Whether or not you choose to except something or someone does not make it right or wrong. It's right or wrong anyway, regardless of your feelings.

I'm not going to tell you if it is right or wrong, but we all need to be on the same page. We can all get married. We cannot all get married. As Starboy said, this is an equality issue, and we need to make it so all people are equal under the eyes of the government, whether we sacrifice our right to marry, or we grant a group of people who have been denied marriage the right to marry.

I have tremedous respect for people who greatly dislike gay marriage but can see how it is incorrect for to deny a group the same wonderful institution most people enjoy. It takes courage and and a strong self will to shelve your personal beliefs for the benefit of the greater good.

[Starboy]

It's not even a matter of the greater good. It is a matter of self interest. If the "normal" people have decided that they have the right to dictate to the "strange" people what their rights are then they have set a precedent. The rights or the “normal” people are now fair game. Screw with others and now they will screw with you. As long as gays are not forcing you to not marry or to marry the same sex then your dislike of their practices is no more germane to a dislike for Brussels sprouts. If you don't like'em then don't eat'em. And when you see them in the grocery pass them by. Because if you decide that you have the right to stop people from getting Brussels sprouts then you have given them the right to stop you from drinking beer or eating chips or whatever thing gives you pleasure in life. What goes around comes around.

Starboy

[Osborn F Enready]

Mulkaccino said: I have tremedous respect for people who greatly dislike gay marriage but can see how it is incorrect for to deny a group the same wonderful institution most people enjoy. It takes courage and and a strong self will to shelve your personal beliefs for the benefit of the greater good.

I say: As do I. I am not gay, don't hang around gays, yet I can still understand the essential need for equality. Look back at the white movement that grew to aid the blacks in freedom from slavery. More people wake up as the message of blatant inequality is brought to the surface, and I think more will support it as PAT ACT II comes out and REMOVES more rights from more people based on nothing.

[Thylo]

Originally posted by Gorgo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gorgo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Yeah, dang uppity women and ni**ers too, right? <!--QuoteBegin-Thylo, when I said only one wore a dress, I meant that only one man wore a dress. which is still weird. with those damn pride parades.

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are you comparing me to racists and chauvinists (SP?)?
just because I think it's weird for a man to go out in public dressed like a woman, or any other of that screwed up crap they do during those parades?

[Gorgo]

If by weird you mean that there is something wrong with it, yes.

[Thylo]

Originally posted by Gorgo, If by weird you mean that there is something wrong with it, yes.

so how, specifically am I like a racist and the like. I don't go out and beat them up. I don't want them dead. I don't wanna take away their rights. I just happen to think that it's stupid for someone to think we should act like it's nothing when they go out and do that stupid stuff

[Starboy]

So would you rather that they be dishonest and pretend to be just like you when they are not? Think anything you like about them but they are not the only odd balls in America but they are odd balls that do not have the same rights as any other group of odd balls.

Starboy

[Thylo]

Originally posted by Starboy, So would you rather that they be dishonest and pretend to be just like you when they are not? Think anything you like about them but they are not the only odd balls in America but they are odd balls that do not have the same rights as any other group of odd balls. Starboy

but there are many of them who aren't oddballs. but they seem to be represented by groups of people who enjoy acting like idiots. ruining it for the gays who act like you or me.
I think that they too should have equal rights. but they should shove acceptance down our throats, especially acceptance of their really bizzare behavior.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Starboy, I think that gays ... would say that "normal" people can go fuck themselves.

And that is the reason for the same sentiment returning to them in a slightly more restrained form from the voting public.

[Gorgo]

The same kinds of things were said about other "oddballs" in the past. If blacks didn't dress that way, if they didn't date white people, if they'd keep their place, etc..... What's the difference between that and what Thylo is saying?

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Thylo, but there are many of them who aren't oddballs. but they seem to be represented by groups of people who enjoy acting like idiots. ruining it for the gays who act like you or me. I think that they too should have equal rights. but they should shove acceptance down our throats, especially acceptance of their really bizzare behavior.

They are not shoving it down anybodies throat. They are using the law that applies to all of us to obtain their rights. It is the even balls that have decided to stop the due process of law and to enact laws specifically removing their rights. We don't stop the KKK from parading. To me they are a bunch of odd balls; I suppose you think that they are a-okay. But anyway it is their right to demonstraite and march. Freedom is messy. Not everybody conforms to the "norm". You are not in highschool anymore.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatrickHenry,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Starboy, I think that gays ... would say that "normal" people can go fuck themselves.

And that is the reason for the same sentiment returning to them in a slightly more restrained form from the voting public.[/b][/quote]

You would have a point if gays were trying to take away your rights but they are not. What folks like you are doing is just plain un-American and just plain nasty.

Starboy

[PatrickHenry]

Folks like me? You don't know me. And unAmerican is an opinion of yours, an epithet, name-calling. You can be kicked out of here for it. I have not complained of your personal attacks yet, hoping you would stop. But this must not continue.

[Texans 4 Furors]

You really should chill your tone Starboy. Patty has been pretty respectful and you are comparing him to the clan.Who's being tolerant? Like I said before, get the government out of ALL marriages, period.

[Gorgo]

Dumb statement removed.

[Thylo]

Originally posted by Gorgo, The same kinds of things were said about other "oddballs" in the past. If blacks didn't dress that way, if they didn't date white people, if they'd keep their place, etc..... What's the difference between that and what Thylo is saying?

back when black faught for their rights, they acted like any normal person. they got good people to represent them.
I'm not saying that the parades should be banned. but they should consider what they're doing to themselves.

They are not shoving it down anybodies throat. They are using the law that applies to all of us to obtain their rights. It is the even balls that have decided to stop the due process of law and to enact laws specifically removing their rights. We don't stop the KKK from parading. To me they are a bunch of odd balls; I suppose you think that they are a-okay. But anyway it is their right to demonstraite and march. Freedom is messy. Not everybody conforms to the "norm". You are not in highschool anymore.

they're trying to with their illegal marriges.
and I have even more of a problem with the KKK. they all have a right to march, but they should consider that it does more harm than good..
I don't conform to the norm, but I don't go around in the streets flaunting my sexual kinks and telling people that they have to accept me or they're some sort of bigot.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry, Folks like me? You don't know me. And unAmerican is an opinion of yours, an epithet, name-calling. You can be kicked out of here for it. I have not complained of your personal attacks yet, hoping you would stop. But this must not continue.

Sorry if you don't like it, but one of the core American values is freedom. Not just freedom for yourself but freedom for everybody. You don't have to like the traditions or customs of others. Hell, you can think they are just plain stupid. That is fine. It is entirely different matter when you vote to take their rights away. That is un-American. I just calls'em as I sees'em.

Starboy