Homosexual Marriage

[Jack]

I don't know what year that was, amana1man, but it sounds like the 70's. Things were much wilder then.
Of course, from the sound of your reaction, you'd be just as appalled if you were to walk into a gay church meeting. Your attitude is so Anita Bryant. Join the human race. Expand your meager horizons. Get off that "holier than thou" horse you rode up on. You probably interact with gays every day and never even realize it. That's how "civilized" we've become.
But if you wish to remain ignorant and abusive of gays, that's your right. The queers in this forum are not shy about letting you know how 15th century you sound.

[RickSp]

Quote by: amana1man In my early 20s by accident I ended up in a gay bar. If you are not gay but feel the gays are getting a raw deal please visit your local gay bar. I found it to be a sick disgusting experience.

I know I will regret even asking the question, but what in hell was going on in this bar that you found so disgusting?

Years ago I used to go to great fish restaurant in Ann Arbor which was right across the street from the then only gay bar in town. The restaurant didn't take reservations and was small so the procedure was to give them your name then go across the street to the gay bar. The front of the bar was also full of het couples waiting for tables next door while the bar and the dance floor were occupied by gay guys. It was very ordinary, if not boring.

Of course based on your suggestion that gay folks should get locked up in a "nut house", maybe you get offended easier then I. Or then again, maybe not. I find the suggestion that gay folks be locked up to be pretty offensive.

[belverron]

Thank you for that insight, Comma Splice.

[italiangm]

Quote by: wonder (wrong wrong wrong )there is someone of the oppisite sex for evereyone ,open your eyes and look you shall find the one you seek, god will giude you.

I kept my eyes open. The sweetest, nicest, most loving man walked ino my life nearly 10 years ago. I am a happy and lucky man indeed. :)

[Jack]

This is the same god that got an innocent virgin pregnant? No thanks, I'll set up my own dates.

[Jack]

Actually, Wonder, only 4 posts ago you said,

...someone of the oppisite sex...

But then, being an atheist, I'm still not inclined to look to any god for guidance. My love life is enough of a shambles, no sense getting imaginary supernatural beings involved. Then I'll never get a date ever again.

[Protostar]

I don't know if this has been said before, because I'll be damned if I'm going to read a 181 pages to find out, but my take on homosexual marriage is much different than most people.
I feel that the government should get out of marriage altogether. Why should you have to get a license to marry? It's like getting a license to love someone else, which is stupid. If anything people need to have a license to have children. If your church chooses to marry homosexuals, LEAVE! That's what I would do. I wouldn't associate myself with such an institution.

[Jack]

If your church chooses to marry homosexuals, LEAVE! That's what I would do. I wouldn't associate myself with such an institution.

It sounds as though you're saying then that churches are just social clubs of like-minded individuals, each with their own (potentially erroneous) set of beliefs. So churches are not the repository of the unerring word of god after all? That certainly agrees with my beliefs about churches.

[belverron]

Quote by: wonder it is a shame you havent got the freedom to say what u want to say as free soul.............. in a church out of church in feild out of a feild in the sea out of the sea............GOD will giude me...................

Thank you, Seussian rhymer of superfluous ellipses.

[Jack]

I'm sorry, but the poetic symbolism lost me. Could you put that into conversational English for me? I'm not sure what you just said, or to whom you were saying it.

[Jack]

That was marginally clearer, by a factor of .00001. I think (and I could definately be wrong here) that you're trying to say you expect god to guide you to your soulmate. OK, that's fine. It's not an opinion I happen to share, but then I doubt we're looking for the same "soulmate" anyway. So I'll look my way and you look in yours.
But unless you're gay, whether or not god ever finds you a soulmate is off-topic for this thread.

[Dirty Name]

I have simply come to terms with the fact that no matter what I say, no matter what evidence I put on the table, some people will not see beyond "deviation" or "perversion".

And yet, you can't point to anywhere in my argument where deviance and perversion enter into the logic. My comments were simply in reaction to yours. But keep fooling yourself into thinking you have the "moral high ground." While the irony is indeed sickening, it's the same lame debate tactic I've seen employed against so many other folks who advance the argument that there are strong SECULAR REASONS for opposing gay marriage - villify the opponent, paint him as a homophobe or religious zealot, then refuse to debate on those grounds. It's page one of the Democratic Party playbook, page one of the liberal playbook, and clearly page one of the gay rights advocacy playbook.

And ultimately, homosexuality is "deviant" - less than 10% (more like 2-3%) is homosexual. Maybe you should read and understand the definition:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deviant

In reading the definition, the term "perverted" also applies to homosexuality:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=perverted

I want to stress that these definitions do NOT form the basis of my argument - I am NOT saying that perversion or deviance is the reason we should oppose gay marriage. I merely bring it up here because lsbskins1 has stormed out of the debate because the term was brought up in response to something she said.

[RickSp]

The man clearly likes to hear himself type. Of course the same defintion of deviant and arguably even perverted could also be applied to Catholic priests and nuns practicing celibacy. All of which adds nothing to the conversation.

[Boetie]

Homophobia is a mental illness. Those whom ban same sex marriage are the only people in United States history that put the language of denying rights in a Constitution. Until then there has been no other language that deny's rights in our Constitution.

[Osborn F Enready]

Well said Boetie, and damn observant.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Boetie Homophobia is a mental illness.

No argument there.

Quote by: Boetie Those whom ban same sex marriage are the only people in United States history that put the language of denying rights in a Constitution. Until then there has been no other language that deny's rights in our Constitution.

Not currently, but restrictive language denying rights has indeed appeared in the US Constitution before.

Manufacture, sale, transportation, and import/export of intoxicating liquor was abolished by the 18th amendment, then re-established by the 21st amendment 14 years later.

[Dirty Name]

Of course the same defintion of deviant and arguably even perverted could also be applied to Catholic priests and nuns practicing celibacy. All of which adds nothing to the conversation.

At least they don't marry.

[Dirty Name]

Those whom ban same sex marriage are the only people in United States history that put the language of denying rights in a Constitution. Until then there has been no other language that deny's rights in our Constitution.

No rights are denied. While I'm sure to be the one accused of arguing in circles, it's only because I consistently stay on this merry-go-round, while fresh gay rights advocates come and go, starting their argument in the same, predictable place every time.

Boetie, what specific right is denied to homosexuals that others are allowed to exercise? It's worth noting that no American citizen has the "right" to marry anybody they please. No American citizen has the right to marry the person they love. Nobody has the right to marry the person they have sexual relations with.

Everyone has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex - and even THAT right is heavily regulated.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Dirty Name At least they don't marry.

Just molest children. Marriage is healthier.

[amana1man]

I got cared away on my last post and I am apologetic for making the post with such strong passion. In the 60s a gay bar was no doubt different than today but to me fresh from the country and now witnessing two grown men lip to lip made me very queasy. When an old fellow came over and stuck his hand where he should not of, well that did it for me.
Yes I do know some men have woman's jeans and some men have woman's jeans but he better leave the panties off, too hard to pee. I would feel sorry for this person. I do not think that two people of the same sex should be putting on a sexual display in public as I have seen collage students at U of I do. A kiss goodbye would not offend me today but two people of the same sex kissing and fondling each other in a public area is a bit hard to take. As far as marriage goes why does anyone get married. Because of marriage you retire with less money than a single couple living togeather would. You will get less from social security and state help programs. Some in this country have got divorced because of the marriage penality but still live under the same roof with different mailing addresses. .