Homosexual Marriage

[yourmaster]

Where as politicians will take the view that will get them into power. If preachers make the majority of people bigoted homophobes then a politician that discriminates against homosexuals will be more likely to get voted in.

[Chris]

I havent posted in this topic for a long time but I came across something that kind of sums the subject up.

Language Warning, its explicit.

YouTube - gay marriage

[chki91]

Of course, it is a matter of civil right. Well, I have right to marry to one who i love, so why should i not let the other people to choose their partner?

In religious perspectives, this may seem not right and the most disgraceful thing that could happen, however, religion cannot exist without its followers and therefore the religions should not hold or restrict people but advise.

[ThoughtCriminal]

Quote by: chki91 Of course, it is a matter of civil right. Well, I have right to marry to one who i love, so why should i not let the other people to choose their partner? In religious perspectives, this may seem not right and the most disgraceful thing that could happen, however, religion cannot exist without its followers and therefore the religions should not hold or restrict people but advise.

I can't disagree, but the sad truth is that religions claim to own morality.

TC

[Tycoon]

In religious perspectives, this may seem not right and the most disgraceful thing that could happen, however, religion cannot exist without its followers and therefore the religions should not hold or restrict people but advise.

I should think that a gay couple would not want to participate in a religion that doesn't express tolerance of homosexuality. If they don't go to a church that would allow them to get married I don't think they would want to get married in a church.

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Chris I havent posted in this topic for a long time but I came across something that kind of sums the subject up. Language Warning, its explicit. YouTube - gay marriage

Damn Straight. +1

[Rog]

Quote by: yourmaster Tyke, I get the impression you've never met somebody you would truly want to spend the rest of your life with, when you do trivialities like you've mentioned will seem stupid. That beside I agree with you, civil unions do just appear to me as a method some politician came up with to appease gay people and religous people at the same time.

And what is wrong with that if they both provide the same rights?

[Rog]

Quote by: Tycoon Which is all an obvious violation of the idea of separation of church and state. Conservative Christians hide behind other, invalid reasons to justify their alterior motives of satisfying the will of the ignorant and intolerant religious community that follows them.

Well, the politician got elected by those religious people, why don't gays get a politician elected to change these laws?

[??!]

Quote by: Rog And what is wrong with that if they both provide the same rights?

They don't provide the same rights. Have you read the last 3 pages of this thread?

[Rog]

Quote by: ??! They don't provide the same rights. Have you read the last 3 pages of this thread?

read my post. IF is written.

[??!]

And?

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Rog Well, the politician got elected by those religious people, why don't gays get a politician elected to change these laws?

Because only 10% of people are homosexual and only a fraction of that are open about their sexuality, not nearly enough to elect a politician, let alone enough politicians to make a difference.

Quote by: Rog And what is wrong with that if they both provide the same rights?

Try reading my post. You'll find I explain myself quite clearly.

@??!: he is right in questioning, he said if they have the same rights, so he was questioning my queries with regard to other things then rights.

[Rog]

Quote by: yourmaster Because only 10% of people are homosexual and only a fraction of that are open about their sexuality, not nearly enough to elect a politician, let alone enough politicians to make a difference.

10% is a good amount, plus you have to add families and friends that support gay marriage.
If you want something changed sometimes you need to make the changes yourself.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Rog 10% is a good amount, plus you have to add families and friends that support gay marriage. If you want something changed sometimes you need to make the changes yourself.

Sorry are we playing the "try to be as completely ignorant as possible" game? A fraction of 10% is not enough to vote in a politician, take 5% and say they can all get three people to vote for gay rights, that's 20%, amazingly 20% is not a majority vote.

[Rog]

Quote by: yourmaster Sorry are we playing the "try to be as completely ignorant as possible" game? A fraction of 10% is not enough to vote in a politician, take 5% and say they can all get three people to vote for gay rights, that's 20%, amazingly 20% is not a majority vote.

It takes 700k votes to elect a representative.
If you numbers are right, 10% of Californians population is 3.6 million.
So no I am not ignorant, you are.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Rog It takes 700k votes to elect a representative. If you numbers are right, 10% of Californians population is 3.6 million. So no I am not ignorant, you are.

OK folks. Chill out.

First of all, 10% is a holdover from Kinsey's work and has been determined inaccurate for 10 years or more. No prominent gay orgs use that figure.

The most current estimate is 4 to 6% of the population is homosexual. For comparison sake, that's about the same number of Jews in the US.

[Rog]

Quote by: italiangm OK folks. Chill out. First of all, 10% is a holdover from Kinsey's work and has been determined inaccurate for 10 years or more. No prominent gay orgs use that figure. The most current estimate is 4 to 6% of the population is homosexual. For comparison sake, that's about the same number of Jews in the US.

5% 1.8 million gays in California.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: italiangm OK folks. Chill out. First of all, 10% is a holdover from Kinsey's work and has been determined inaccurate for 10 years or more. No prominent gay orgs use that figure. The most current estimate is 4 to 6% of the population is homosexual. For comparison sake, that's about the same number of Jews in the US.

Well there we go, of course a lot of those people won't vote for the particular candidate for other reasons, there are far more important things to deal with when it comes to running a country.
I'm not american, the american electoral system is different to mine, but in England 4% of the population is no where near enough to come close to an MP.

[Rog]

Quote by: yourmaster I'm not american, the american electoral system is different to mine, but in England 4% of the population is no where near enough to come close to an MP.

So you have no clue how things work, but you like to disagree with me without any base. Why are you even debating? let me guess; you are the expert of your theories.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Rog So you have no clue how things work, but you like to disagree with me without any base. Why are you even debating? let me guess; you are the expert of your theories.

You know, Rog... there's no call for treating folks who live in other parts of the world that way.

In fact, since this forum attracts a worldwide audience, you should be more sensitive to the systems of other governments and be very specific about your own location (presumably the US) when you respond, as should others.

To automatically assume everyone is from where YOU are is pretty insensitive.