Homosexual Marriage

[ineco]

It's called Google, dude.

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Rog See thats the problem with you. "i've heard" you ashame the atheist community. you should be researching this stuff instead for believing what you heard. do you apply this to your atheist beliefs too?

Na, i heard this from all the religious kids at my school breathing down my neck for being an atheists and from many of the theists on this sight. Also, i am reading your book, and it seems to be confirming what i've said so far. So tell me, is there multiple versions of the bible? Or is what i said true? Because this bible says what i said, except with more detail.

[Rog]

Quote by: Rogue Cardinal That's right. It's God's fault that man is flawed. It's God's fault that man is cursed with sin. God put the tree of knowledge in the garden for no reason at all. You don't need it. The world COULD have would have been perfect. Don't you ever think it's odd that when GOD created Earth everyone was BUCK NAKED! We were meant to be runnin' around naked as a jay bird. Then Man falls and anything sexual in nature becomes sin?!?!?!! Looking at naked chicks is a sin.....but in the original creation God meant for all to be naked! WHAT?!?!?!?! Bible = fiction

Its about free will. if God wanted some soulless dolls he could have created it, but he gave us all the choice.

[Rog]

Quote by: Halofan48 Na, i heard this from all the religious kids at my school breathing down my neck for being an atheists and from many of the theists on this sight. Also, i am reading your book, and it seems to be confirming what i've said so far. So tell me, is there multiple versions of the bible? Or is what i said true? Because this bible says what i said, except with more detail.

So if you read it I am sure you can post the verse.

[Rog]

Quote by: Halofan48 You said that they believed because there was proof. I asked what the proof was, you said god showed them sign, i asked where it said he did that, and you gave me an example from the bible. It's the same instance, can't you see that?

Of course is from the bible, I believe in the bible and you don't. I can't debate you about a God topic without it, Is like me telling you to prove evolution without you using the books you read.
You can't set the rules of the debate.

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Rog Its about free will. if God wanted some soulless dolls he could have created it, but he gave us all the choice.

So God ruined the perfect world....so man could have freewill....and that made man a sinner.....because God did something stupid....but God wanted to fix everything and 4,000 years later figured out a way to undo his great boo boo and thus killed his son so that people could now go back to a perfect world that they had the first time around until God, like a buffoon, put a damn tree in the middle of it.

[ineco]

Quote by: Rog Its about free will. if God wanted some soulless dolls he could have created it, but he gave us all the choice.

He gave us a choice...to be things that he doesn't support?

That's like creating a pie made of mud and dead cats because you CAN and then throwing it away. Pointless. Anti-Omnipotent, much?

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Rog So if you read it I am sure you can post the verse.

K fine: Genesis 1: 1 First God made heaven & earth 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6 And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. 9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. 20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.

Genesis 2: 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation. 4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground-- 7 then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12 and the gold of that land is good; bdellium and onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. 15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." 18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him." 19 So out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for the man there was not found a helper fit for him. 21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; 22 and the rib which the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." 24 Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.

[ShadowFox]

part 2

Genesis 3: 1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God say, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden'?" 2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'" 4 But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" 10 And he said, "I heard the sound of thee in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself." 11 He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" 12 The man said, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I ate." 14 The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all cattle, and above all wild animals; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." 17 And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; 18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." 20 The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. 21 And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them. 22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever" -- 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man; and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.

I got told about this site from the weight lifter kid at my school, who thought i should be "enlightened": Bible.com

[Rog]

Quote by: Rogue Cardinal So God ruined the perfect world....so man could have freewill....and that made man a sinner.....because God did something stupid....but God wanted to fix everything and 4,000 years later figured out a way to undo his great boo boo and thus killed his son so that people could now go back to a perfect world that they had the first time around until God, like a buffoon, put a damn tree in the middle of it.

God did not ruin it, we did. I am sure you read it.
See you are failing to understand, you posed the verse here but is like you are blind.
God created us in his image, meaning he had to create us with free will like he has, otherwise we would not be like him. Jesus did not die to fix the boo boo, he died to fulfill the law. you said you read the bible, but I don't think you did, you have no clue.

[Aussie]

Quote by: Rog Can you prove that? you atheist try to enforce humans are like animals, the homosexuals are a natural thing in nature. Guess what? so is killing, why would a few guys write a book against human nature if they were not inspired by God? why would they write the book and not take credit for it?

Ah, humans are animals, mammals to be precise.

Here, this kids science website spells it out pretty clearly:
Mammals

Mammals
Mammals have several unique characteristics that differentiate them from other animals. Most mammals have hair, or fur, covering their body. They are also capable of regulating their body temperature. The mammals metabolism controls heat production, and the sweat glands help cool the body. These allow the mammal to maintain a constant body temperature, regardless of the environmental temperature. One other difference is that mammals give birth to fully formed babies, and the female mammals produce milk to feed their young.

Most mammals walk on 4 legs, with only the humans walking upright on 2 legs. Aquatic mammals have flippers, or fins, for swimming rather than legs. Common mammals include: primates, such humans and monkeys; marsupials; rodents; whales; dolphins; and, seals.

Why do the religious think we aren't animals?

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Rog Of course is from the bible, I believe in the bible and you don't. I can't debate you about a God topic without it, Is like me telling you to prove evolution without you using the books you read. You can't set the rules of the debate.

Actually, the first book containing evolution, The origin of Species can be proven with evidence that we've gathered today. This ranges from antibiotic resistant bacteria, to the fossils of our ancestors as man evolved from ape. The only evidence the bible has is stories from the bible.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Rog and why do you think all you listed only applies to heteros? all those you listed can be homosexual, and like I said we already have the right to marry, you dont.

Look. Talking around in circles isn't going to support your argument. How about an honest response for a change?

[ineco]

Quote by: Rog God did not ruin it, we did. I am sure you read it. See you are failing to understand, you posed the verse here but is like you are blind. God created us in his image, meaning he had to create us with free will like he has, otherwise we would not be like him. Jesus did not die to fix the boo boo, he died to fulfill the law. you said you read the bible, but I don't think you did, you have no clue.

But if he "knows all" and is the omnipotent being that made everybody stop loving Raymond, then wouldn't he also know that by giving humans free will they would sin and etc.

It doesn't make since.

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Rog Of course is from the bible, I believe in the bible and you don't. I can't debate you about a God topic without it, Is like me telling you to prove evolution without you using the books you read. You can't set the rules of the debate.

Quote by: Rog God did not ruin it, we did. I am sure you read it. See you are failing to understand, you posed the verse here but is like you are blind. God created us in his image, meaning he had to create us with free will like he has, otherwise we would not be like him. Jesus did not die to fix the boo boo, he died to fulfill the law. you said you read the bible, but I don't think you did, you have no clue.

I have a feeling that you say to everyone who has a different opinion on what the bible says, even other christians from different denominations, that they've "never read the bible"

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Rog God did not ruin it, we did. I am sure you read it. See you are failing to understand, you posed the verse here but is like you are blind. God created us in his image, meaning he had to create us with free will like he has, otherwise we would not be like him. Jesus did not die to fix the boo boo, he died to fulfill the law. you said you read the bible, but I don't think you did, you have no clue.

Sure God did. he put the tree in the Garden. There was no use for it.

If he created us WITH freewill....then why would he need to put the tree of knowledge in the garden like YOU suggested earlier?!?! I think you've confused yourself.

Jesus didn't die to fulfill a law BTW.... Jesus died to take away your sins....whcih is another ridiculous story since God couldn't have done that when a person repented. BUt I don't have time to argue such silliness with you in this thread.

Bottom line....marriage is a word. Christians don't own that word. Homosexuals should be able to call it a marriage, because it's exactly the same thing. Marriage haas nothing to do with whether or not you can procreate......it's about two people loving each other and betrothing themselves to each other......forever.

[Rog]

Quote by: Halofan48 I got told about this site from the weight lifter kid at my school, who thought i should be "enlightened": Bible.com

What you can't find the specific verse that said humans did NOT have free will? please don't post the whole chapter. I know what it says, I am asking you to point it to me what you said. My point is your belifs are based on things you hear and not things you research. I thought the who atheist movement was about individualist thinkers with high level of BS meter.

[Rog]

Quote by: Aussie Ah, humans are animals, mammals to be precise. Here, this kids science website spells it out pretty clearly: Mammals Mammals Mammals have several unique characteristics that differentiate them from other animals. Most mammals have hair, or fur, covering their body. They are also capable of regulating their body temperature. The mammals metabolism controls heat production, and the sweat glands help cool the body. These allow the mammal to maintain a constant body temperature, regardless of the environmental temperature. One other difference is that mammals give birth to fully formed babies, and the female mammals produce milk to feed their young. Most mammals walk on 4 legs, with only the humans walking upright on 2 legs. Aquatic mammals have flippers, or fins, for swimming rather than legs. Common mammals include: primates, such humans and monkeys; marsupials; rodents; whales; dolphins; and, seals. Why do the religious think we aren't animals?

I did not say we are not.

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Rog What you can't find the specific verse that said humans did NOT have free will? please don't post the whole chapter. I know what it says, I am asking you to point it to me what you said. My point is your belifs are based on things you hear and not things you research. I thought the who atheist movement was about individualist thinkers with high level of BS meter.

Well Rog, i don't have that much time right now. Though i can probably predict whats going to happen. I'll find it, post it , and then we'll get into an argument about interpretation. So, when i find that verse, hope you have your argument ready about interpretation.

[Rog]

Quote by: Halofan48 Actually, the first book containing evolution, The origin of Species can be proven with evidence that we've gathered today. This ranges from antibiotic resistant bacteria, to the fossils of our ancestors as man evolved from ape. The only evidence the bible has is stories from the bible.

There are too many missing links in that book, if you read it you know what I am talking about. there are no missing links in the bible, if you read it you would also know what I am talking about.