Homosexual Marriage

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Quote by: Rog obviously i will not do that research for you.

You can't do the research because you can't prove it.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Rog looking strange??? those are the reps of your community, how do you want us to take you seriously when your reps are "strange"

So, that must mean heterosexual:

murderers
child molesters
drug traffickers/dealers
drug abusers/alcoholics
those involved in vehicular manslaughter
polygamists
prostitutes
folks involved in corporate fraud/Enron/theft
folks who allow their children to die because of their religious beliefs
folks who abuse their handicapped children
folks who abuse seniors in nursing homes
(I'm sure I left someone out...)

... are reps of the hetero community. Do I have that right?

Which group(s) should we take more seriously, hmmmm?

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Rog Well from my point of view Morals were given to us. Look around you now, killings everywhere, humans haven't evolved that much. check out Africa.

And yet so much of the world is Christian....and so much of the world is getting worse. So much of the world is religious...and the morals would appear to be in the toilet.

I can look at American jails and the vast majority of the population claim to be CHRISTIAN. so much for Christina values and morals. Where is your God to line you people up and straighten you out?

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Quote by: Rogue Cardinal And yet so much of the world is Christian....and so much of the world is getting worse. So much of the world is religious...and the morals would appear to be in the toilet. I can look at American jails and the vast majority of the population claim to be CHRISTIAN. so much for Christina values and morals. Where is your God to line you people up and straighten you out?

And after this post, many will contend that one needs religion to act morally.

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: ??! And after this post, many will contend that one needs religion to act morally.

I know.....but that's my point. We have a world full of good moral religious people.....that kill, rape, steal, and do terrible things. Where is their God in that?

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Quote by: Rogue Cardinal I know.....but that's my point. We have a world full of good moral religious people.....that kill, rape, steal, and do terrible things. Where is their God in that?

But we also have a world full of wonderful humanists, atheists, etc. who do wonderful things for others that act without religion.

[Rog]

Quote by: Tycoon Yes, and who came up with those religions? Man. Therefore, man gave himself morals, whether or not it came along with religion.

Really? can you prove that? if you observe human behavior you would notice there was no need for religion.

[Rog]

Quote by: ??! You can't do the research because you can't prove it.

I did prove it, the oldest civilization was created based on religious beliefs, I showed you the link from wiki. you have been proven wrong so unless you can prove me wrong you should just stay quiet.

[Rog]

Quote by: italiangm So, that must mean heterosexual: murderers child molesters drug traffickers/dealers drug abusers/alcoholics those involved in vehicular manslaughter polygamists prostitutes folks involved in corporate fraud/Enron/theft folks who allow their children to die because of their religious beliefs folks who abuse their handicapped children folks who abuse seniors in nursing homes (I'm sure I left someone out...) ... are reps of the hetero community. Do I have that right? Which group(s) should we take more seriously, hmmmm?

and why do you think all you listed only applies to heteros? all those you listed can be homosexual, and like I said we already have the right to marry, you dont.

[Tycoon]

Really? can you prove that? if you observe human behavior you would notice there was no need for religion.

Are you kidding me? You must know nothing about human behavior. Religion was man's solution to the unkown, his answer to questions that could not be answered.

[Tycoon]

I did prove it, the oldest civilization was created based on religious beliefs, I showed you the link from wiki. you have been proven wrong so unless you can prove me wrong you should just stay quiet.

Religious beliefs they themselves invented. Man gave themselves morals, not God.

[Rog]

You don't the problem but by attacking Christians you are not helping your selfs.
Most Christians could care less you gay couples have the same rights, they just don't want gays to get married, you could have civil unions with the same rights, marriage is sanctified by the church. You are trying to get the same rights, but accusing Christians of crazies that read a pointless 2000k old book and glorified a unknown god is not going to help you.

[Tycoon]

You don't the problem but by attacking Christians you are not helping your selfs.

It's Christians who are trying to dictate our lives.

Most Christians could care less you gay couples have the same rights, they just don't want gays to get married, you could have civil unions with the same rights, marriage is sanctified by the church.

I couldn't care less what Christians want, they don't get to run my life! Ever heard of freedom of religion? If I don't believe in your God, or that He thinks I am an abomination, then I don't have to follow your rules. Nor does marriage have to be sanctified by the church.

You are trying to get the same rights, but accusing Christians of crazies that read a pointless 2000k old book and glorified a unknown god is not going to help you.

I am accusing Christians, for being biggots, and for trying to dictate my life.

[Rog]

Quote by: Tycoon Religious beliefs they themselves invented. Man gave themselves morals, not God.

Can you prove that? you atheist try to enforce humans are like animals, the homosexuals are a natural thing in nature.
Guess what? so is killing, why would a few guys write a book against human nature if they were not inspired by God? why would they write the book and not take credit for it?

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: ??! But we also have a world full of wonderful humanists, atheists, etc. who do wonderful things for others that act without religion.

But we aren't the majority are we?

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Rog You don't the problem but by attacking Christians you are not helping your selfs. Most Christians could care less you gay couples have the same rights, they just don't want gays to get married, you could have civil unions with the same rights, marriage is sanctified by the church. You are trying to get the same rights, but accusing Christians of crazies that read a pointless 2000k old book and glorified a unknown god is not going to help you.

Marriage was goign down way before the church got involved. History....it's fun.

Of course it's only natural that if you are a religious person you'd want to bring the seriousness of the relationship to your God. Which is all fine and dandy.

Religion doesn't own the patent on marriage.

Are you married? IF you are....I can assure you that my wife, whom is also agnostic are just as married as you are.

Marriage is nothing more than a legal binding contract between two people.

The religious folks speak of the sanctity of marriage and yet their divorce rate is HIGHER than non religious folks. I guess either God didn't really bring two people together or he has no real stake in the marriage and doesn't give a flip if the two stay together or not.

[ineco]

Is it really that painful to just let gay people get married? I truly don't get why it's still so controversial.

The sanctity of marriage?
I'm sorry, but the statistics for divorce in this country are pathetic.

Tradition?
Blacks and Whites weren't allowed to marry because of orders of tradition many years ago, but we were obviously able to pull away from that.

Religion?
There should be a seperation between church and state. And in regards to God being angry, it shouldn't matter to you anyway. You tried to change gay people; they're still gay; God knows you tried, so pucker up and smile. He knows you put in an A-effort job, so calm down and let the people be.

People will start marrying animals,rocks,etc.?
You know that this one is just a last show of defiance. "Hey you heard how Billy married Tim? Now I hear that Johnathan is excited enough to go to marry his horse, Seawaffle." How rational.

I honestly don't get how some people can actually argue that two gay people marrying are equal to a human and a bloody animal marrying. That belief backs not only from just pushing your beliefs down an individual's throat, but also showcasing a sad degree of ignorance and disrespect of civil liberties.

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Rog Can you prove that? you atheist try to enforce humans are like animals, the homosexuals are a natural thing in nature. Guess what? so is killing, why would a few guys write a book against human nature if they were not inspired by God? why would they write the book and not take credit for it?

Gee....there are so many religions older than yours. There are so many religions in general. Most of them have had to be made up. There just cannot be that many Gods.

Can you prove that homosexuality is mother natures way of controlling the pet population? Your God created everything. Why does God create abominations? There is nothing without God. IF you want to blame anything for homosexuality....as a person that hates homosexuality....blame God....the inventor of homosexuality......which is yet another immoral thing (if you're a Christian) brought to you by God.

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Quote by: Rog Can you prove that? you atheist try to enforce humans are like animals, the homosexuals are a natural thing in nature. Guess what? so is killing, why would a few guys write a book against human nature if they were not inspired by God? why would they write the book and not take credit for it?

Homosexuality is a natural thing. It occurs with various animals. Humans are indeed animals as well. Therefore, homosexuality is natural. You can't prove otherwise.

If you're going to make the assertion that it's natural for humans to kill, I suggest you back up your arguement.

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Rog Can you prove that? you atheist try to enforce humans are like animals, the homosexuals are a natural thing in nature. Guess what? so is killing, why would a few guys write a book against human nature if they were not inspired by God? why would they write the book and not take credit for it?

Well, i think people would be more inclined to think a certain way if they thought a god was going to kill them and send them into a fiery pit then if it was just some guy telling them, don't you think?

Also, they may of used texts to convince children in places they conquered that all was well, and to keep them from doing things they didn't want. You know, a lot like propaganda, B.S. that makes the public think something is true that isn't in order to make people support them.

Getting off topic.

Back to homosexual marriage!