Homosexual Marriage

[Matt W]

Let me see...we'll start with Numbers 31, the KJV....

7And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

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However, we are veering drastically off-topic.

[Gary7]

Marriage is between a man and a women. Anything else is an aberration.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Gary7 Marriage is between a man and a women. Anything else is an aberration.

Who made that rule?

In your answer, please include relevant historical or scientific references. Those who've recently passed ridiculous laws excluding same-sex marriage do not count. They're simply brainless parrots, unable to generate an original thought.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Rog And you think that is bad? we need a little bit of morals, otherwise this place will turn out to be a zoo.

You said that the laws are the result of the morals of the judges, christianity has affected western, the judges', morals for hundreds of years, thus christianity has an effect on the laws, that's all he's saying.

You are right that there have been far too many wars and far too much death "in the name of the lord", most of it however has been corrupt priests, very little of the religion based death and suffering has been on account of religious morals, excluding islam from this for a second. They appear to be the exception, this is not me having anything against muslims, just that their religion is often interpreted poorly by extremists.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Gary7 Marriage is between a man and a women. Anything else is an aberration.

Oh I completely agree, the evidence you showed us in that arguement completely convinced me.

Seriously though, why don't you have another go, this time try using some evidence and give us something to debate against.

[Tycoon]

I want to make sure I understand you. You are saying that religious text sanctions genocide, wife beating, racism and ignorance. If so, I don't believe you understand the text you are reading.

Religious texts do sanction genocide, wife beating, racism and ignorance.

For the longest time religion has coincided with the suppression of reason and science, and the persecution of those who promote critical thinking.

Religion inspired the crusades. Religion inspired the witch hunts.

Religion inspires intolerance and intolerant groups such as the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Aussie]

Quote by: linda_mary_13 I want to make sure I understand you. You are saying that religious text sanctions genocide, wife beating, racism and ignorance. If so, I don't believe you understand the text you are reading.

Ah yes, and you're a prime example of this with your bigotry against gays based on your book.

[Matt W]

Aussie, why don't you drop the personal comments.

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[Aussie]

Quote by: Matt W Aussie, why don't you drop the personal comments. DO NOT RESPOND IN THIS THREAD TO THE PRECEDING MESSAGE. Please contact a member of the staff privately if you have any questions.

So she can say homosexuality is wrong providing no substantiations to her claims whatsover, and me calling that bigoted is a personal attack?? I said her views are bigoted which I'm sure many here would agree with.

If she started saying blacks shouldn't marry and I called her out for being racist, that is a personal attack? If she posts cr@p like that she can expect people to call her out for it.

[ShadowFox]

Quote by: Aussie So she can say homosexuality is wrong providing no substantiations to her claims whatsover, and me calling that bigoted is a personal attack?? I said her views are bigoted which I'm sure many here would agree with. If she started saying blacks shouldn't marry and I called her out for being racist, that is a personal attack? If she posts cr@p like that she can expect people to call her out for it.

Aussie stop, before you get in trouble. Ya, what she said can lead us to certain thoughts about her, but don't respond that way, just say that the belief she has is bigoted, they don't seem to mind.

Mods, please let his post slide.

[Aussie]

Quote by: Halofan48 Aussie stop, before you get in trouble. Ya, what she said can lead us to certain thoughts about her, but don't respond that way, just say that the belief she has is bigoted, they don't seem to mind. Mods, please let his post slide.

Ok, i thought that's what I was actually doing, i will have to articulate better next time!

[yourmaster]

Aussie, have been politer, but essentially the view she gave was bigoted, you just need to be curteous when saying things like that, all being confrontational does is give them something on you, be nice and they'll find themselves having to face up to the lack of support much faster, either through us debating it or the person in question realising he/she is wrong and leaving the debate.

[Rog]

Quote by: Tycoon Religious texts do sanction genocide, wife beating, racism and ignorance. For the longest time religion has coincided with the suppression of reason and science, and the persecution of those who promote critical thinking. Religion inspired the crusades. Religion inspired the witch hunts. Religion inspires intolerance and intolerant groups such as the Westboro Baptist Church.

It also inspires good things.
If you want to remove religion from state, you must remove everything, everything that is said not to do in the Bible should be removed. We should allow gays to get married, humans to have sex with animals, adults have sex with children, killings and everything else that is affected by the moral standard written in the bible.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Rog It also inspires good things. If you want to remove religion from state, you must remove everything, everything that is said not to do in the Bible should be removed. We should allow gays to get married, humans to have sex with animals, adults have sex with children, killings and everything else that is affected by the moral standard written in the bible.

From an atheist's point of view, as he would be the only one that would want to tear down religion, where do you think these morals came from?
The answer: The dude that wrote them down in a book and then called it the bible. Morality was around a long time before religion.

[Tycoon]

It also inspires good things. If you want to remove religion from state, you must remove everything, everything that is said not to do in the Bible should be removed.

You are making the mistake of assuming that the bible is the only standard for morality, a mistake that Christians always make.

Morality for the most part comes from seeing the way other people interact in society. If I see my parents being kind or good then that teaches me to be kind or good.

We should allow gays to get married, humans to have sex with animals, adults have sex with children, killings and everything else that is affected by the moral standard written in the bible.

We should let gays get married. The only reason you think otherwise is because the bible says otherwise, a mark against its supposed standard of morality.

Humans having sex with animals and adults having sex with children is just wrong, and we get that standard from society, not the bible. The bible doesn't even say anything about it.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Rog It also inspires good things. If you want to remove religion from state, you must remove everything, everything that is said not to do in the Bible should be removed. We should allow gays to get married, humans to have sex with animals, adults have sex with children, killings and everything else that is affected by the moral standard written in the bible.

Except that morality is based on good reasoning with supporting objective evidence. Getting rid of religion would not effect that at all.
In fact the bible offers not one example of good morality because it is based on the idea that we are children to be punished . We are not , we are adults capable of assessing the morality for our selves.

[Rog]

Quote by: SoylentGreen we are adults capable of assessing the morality for our selves.

Really? how can we take you seriously when you present yourselves this way? Toronto Pride 2008 - a set on Flickr

[Rog]

Quote by: yourmaster From an atheist's point of view, as he would be the only one that would want to tear down religion, where do you think these morals came from? The answer: The dude that wrote them down in a book and then called it the bible. Morality was around a long time before religion.

Right, because you can prove that right?

[Tycoon]

Really? how can we take you seriously when you present yourselves this way? Toronto Pride 2008 - a set on Flickr

I can see what this is - this is just a case of your squeamishness, and it's ridiculous.

There's nothing immoral about those photos, admittedly, they are a little strange. I wouldn't dress up like that, but I don't think any less of those people who did.

[Tycoon]

Right, because you can prove that right?

Prove that morals come from religion.