Homosexual Marriage

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Tycoon That just leads to them accusing me of being gay, and as I'm not ready to come out at school yet, that's like a slap in the face.

Watch what you tell people, it's not their business.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Tycoon That just leads to them accusing me of being gay, and as I'm not ready to come out at school yet, that's like a slap in the face.

Ouch, that's never really happened to me, anyway I don't mean like have a go at them, just inquisitively ask them quite how something is homosexual.xP

@night, when italiangm says appropriate gender he means that when talking to a gay child they should be able to start a conversation about dating another same sex person.

[Tycoon]

Ouch, that's never really happened to me, anyway I don't mean like have a go at them, just inquisitively ask them quite how something is homosexual.

The thing is, as you've said, at high school when somebody uses the word gay they don't actually mean homosexual. Asking them how it in any way relates to homosexuality makes it about homosexuality, which only reflects back on you.

At the same time that the word gay is not used in relation to homosexuality, it does in general create a strong negative feeling against homosexuality.

[Tycoon]

Watch what you tell people, it's not their business.

At the same time being out is important in some ways. It's almost impossible in some cases to know when other people are gay, but it helps when you yourself are out.

[italiangm]

Quote by: yourmaster @night, when italiangm says appropriate gender he means that when talking to a gay child they should be able to start a conversation about dating another same sex person.

And about dating a transgendered person, if that's where the child's interest/affections point them.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Tycoon The thing is, as you've said, at high school when somebody uses the word gay they don't actually mean homosexual. Asking them how it in any way relates to homosexuality makes it about homosexuality, which only reflects back on you. At the same time that the word gay is not used in relation to homosexuality, it does in general create a strong negative feeling against homosexuality.

Kids in HS can be quite immature, and even older folks can be. Gotta take it with a grain of salt.

Not sure saying something is gay is actually negative. It's just a phrase that after a while means little or nothing. There probably is some negativity associated with it, but it's not hugely negative cause a lot of people are very fond of gays. Kinda like, "oh that's so blonde". Doesn't really mean a lot. Most, or many people would like to be blonde if they could be, hence you have so many fake ones out there.

[yourmaster]

Gay is still used as an insult to mean lame or pathetic, it's definitely negative, but it is not, in the context being discussed, related to homosexuality.
Homosexuality is still a major teasing/bullying point for many young children, because until you've kissed a girl in front of all your mates it's impossible to prove otherwise, some people lack the social ability to laugh it of and it all escalates. The point being that homosexuality is still regarded as negative, yet under the normal immature circumstances of "that's so gay" it's not related to homosexuality and is not at all against homosexuality and should indeed be taken with a grain of salt.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: yourmaster Gay is still used as an insult to mean lame or pathetic, it's definitely negative, but it is not, in the context being discussed, related to homosexuality. Homosexuality is still a major teasing/bullying point for many young children, because until you've kissed a girl in front of all your mates it's impossible to prove otherwise, some people lack the social ability to laugh it of and it all escalates. The point being that homosexuality is still regarded as negative, yet under the normal immature circumstances of "that's so gay" it's not related to homosexuality and is not at all against homosexuality and should indeed be taken with a grain of salt.

Gay may be used as an insult, but people are insulting is what I'm saying. If you aren't gay they'll find something else to tease you about,and I know cause I got teased plenty in school and later on in early adulthood. There was no reason for it I might add. I think young people really need to learn to blow things off, and not be thin-skinned, because life is going to be full of insults, if you're different in some way all the more reason to tease you. I might add that I was never good at blowing it off, and now I have High Blood Pressure, and other assorted ailments and I'm sure the insults contributed to this.

[Yema]

Tbh I think it's up to the couple themselves, if they want to get married then why shouldn't they?
I suppose the real issue is if they want to get married in a Catholic church, but christians are supposed to believe that everyone is equal, so why if someone is gay should it make any difference? It's the same as saying that someone shouldn't be allowed to get married in a church because they have blonde hair.

Again some Christians might say that God has said it is to be man and woman, not man and man/woman and man, but that comes back to the point of everyone being equal.

Therefore I see no reason why gay couples shouldn't get married in or out of a church.

[Tycoon]

Tbh I think it's up to the couple themselves, if they want to get married then why shouldn't they? I suppose the real issue is if they want to get married in a Catholic church, but christians are supposed to believe that everyone is equal, so why if someone is gay should it make any difference? It's the same as saying that someone shouldn't be allowed to get married in a church because they have blonde hair.

Obviously, whether or not to allow gay marriage is a church's decision. If a church condemns homosexuality it's not very likely a gay couple would want to get married there anyways.

Again some Christians might say that God has said it is to be man and woman, not man and man/woman and man, but that comes back to the point of everyone being equal.

It actually comes down to the idea of freedom of religion. I don't believe that God condemns me for being homosexual, I actually don't believe in God at all. Therefore, it should be my choice whether or not to marry.

Therefore I see no reason why gay couples shouldn't get married in or out of a church.

There is no reason, but we don't have true separation of church and state. As long as people such as Bush run the country we won't.

[tehbrooksinator]

Even though I am a Christian I think gay marriage should be legal but I think that any church that does allow it is spiteful for going against the bible. Gay marriages in my opinion should in principle be done at non-christian wedding areas.

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Yema Tbh I think it's up to the couple themselves, if they want to get married then why shouldn't they? I suppose the real issue is if they want to get married in a Catholic church, but christians are supposed to believe that everyone is equal, so why if someone is gay should it make any difference? It's the same as saying that someone shouldn't be allowed to get married in a church because they have blonde hair. Again some Christians might say that God has said it is to be man and woman, not man and man/woman and man, but that comes back to the point of everyone being equal. Therefore I see no reason why gay couples shouldn't get married in or out of a church.

<3 you.

As has been said it's the respective religion's choice as to whether they support or discriminate against homosexuality, with the choice of religion around and the lack or religious power it's not such a problem any more.

[Yema]

Quote by: yourmaster <3 you. As has been said it's the respective religion's choice as to whether they support or discriminate against homosexuality, with the choice of religion around and the lack or religious power it's not such a problem any more.

It'd feel pretty discriminatory to be a priest saying "No, sorry you can't get married in this church because you're gay." But then again I don't suppose a gay couple as such would really go to a church or get annoyed at the fact that they were turned down, seeing as you'd probably be prepared to be let down. Although I think most couples would probably choose to have something less key, more like John Barrowman; just a small ceremony for close friends and family. <3

[yourmaster]

Quote by: Yema It'd feel pretty discriminatory to be a priest saying "No, sorry you can't get married in this church because you're gay." But then again I don't suppose a gay couple as such would really go to a church or get annoyed at the fact that they were turned down, seeing as you'd probably be prepared to be let down. Although I think most couples would probably choose to have something less key, more like John Barrowman; just a small ceremony for close friends and family. <3

Ah JB what a legend.

I sometimes find it hard to find the difference between homophobes searching for some desperate rationality for their hatred and catholics.
I have some leeway for religion, but frankly following a 2000 year old book into discrimination against a whole race of people is frankly incomprehendable for me.

[Rog]

Quote by: yourmaster Ah JB what a legend. I sometimes find it hard to find the difference between homophobes searching for some desperate rationality for their hatred and catholics. I have some leeway for religion, but frankly following a 2000 year old book into discrimination against a whole race of people is frankly incomprehendable for me.

I did not know homos were a diferent race, care to explain?

[Tycoon]

I did not know homos were a diferent race, care to explain?

Why are you picking words apart? Homosexauality sets a person apart into an entirely separate sub-culture, and mostly because of the discrimination against gays.

[Rog]

Quote by: Tycoon Why are you picking words apart? Homosexauality sets a person apart into an entirely separate sub-culture, and mostly because of the discrimination against gays.

Sub -culture?? come on now, there is nothing cultural about beeing homo.
i was not picking words apart, it was a whole statment.

[Hurt]

Quote by: Rog Sub -culture?? come on now, there is nothing cultural about beeing homo. i was not picking words apart, it was a whole statment.

Regardless, you're debating semantics here. They're a different group of people. Better?

[Tycoon]

Sub -culture?? come on now, there is nothing cultural about beeing homo. i was not picking words apart, it was a whole statment.

There most certainly is. It affects many of your choices such as whether or not to raise a family, participate in religion, etc. It certainly affects the way others view you.

And yes, you were picking words apart. You fixed on the word race and started an entire line of discussion on it.

[The Bacon Guy]

Actually, I agree with Rog here.

I really don't like the phrases "gay culture" or "gay community". My cultural and social influences are very much the same as those of any straight man from the same background as me. It seems kind of offensive to say that gay people are all part of some exclusive gay sub-culture; kind of like saying that all blacks are a part of hip-hop culture. A lot are, but a lot are part of the same cultural and social groups as the majority of people.